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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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Jean Stein with Jean and Chris in the

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para cast we welcome back an old friend

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he hasn't been on the show since night

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guests October or November of 2015 and

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that's the one the only Don Ecker

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welcome back well thank you you capped

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me I've been trying to hide from you but

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I guess I wasn't throwing that well gene

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you know you've narrowed it down you

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know I really feel really feel lucky to

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hear you say that because you're a

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former police officer so I think a

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former police officer would better be

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able to hide than anyone else well yeah

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but it's been since 215 so there you go

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2015 well you did pretty well yeah

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pretty good

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so what do you guys been up to funny you

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should ask

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last week we had Joshua P Warren on the

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show do you know him

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I know the name okay now he seems to be

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pretty knowledgeable has a good

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presentation one of our listeners said

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that he could use a better microphone I

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probably would agree with him I think

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the only big criticism is that he's too

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ready to sell what he has there

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bit of a Salesman which is fine I don't

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mind a person making a living but some

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people speaking of salesmen the other

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night I woke up about 2:00 a.m. I guess

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it was and I was having a little trouble

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staying or getting back to sleep so I

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got up and wandered out to the kitchen

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got myself a glass of milk and I'm

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sitting there drinking my milk and I

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thought oh geez 2:00 a.m. it's been a

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long time since I've been up this late

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or early depending upon how you look at

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it so I turned on my radio and lo and

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behold I was

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listening to coast-to-coast with George

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Noory and guess who his guest was well

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okay you're not gonna guess oh well now

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you Steven pass it and the disclosure

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business that he's still pushing and

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that's how I get it back to salesmen

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you know Steven basa died he's not

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really that high in my radar and frankly

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nor is coast to coast I think the last

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time I listened to that show was 10-15

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years ago oh it's been it's been a long

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time for me also and the only reason I

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was there is because I couldn't sleep

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but with that being said so I thought

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I'd sit there a few minutes and listen

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to what's going on and Jean and Chris it

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could have been 15 years ago same

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business same sales pitch disclosure

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disclosure disclosure and of course one

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of the huge points that Basset was

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trying to point out was his I guess

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tentative relationship with Hillary

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Clinton John Podesta and of course all

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that business going back to the

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Rockefeller initiative and you know it

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just simply for me came to down to SSDD

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you know what that what that means right

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just a different day yeah same stuff but

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we don't say stuff we say colorful

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expletive different day and that's

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that's about what it was done is it 15

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years that this guy has been doing that

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I think it goes back to the 90s doesn't

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it it seems like forever I just used 15

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years as an arbitrary number but the the

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bottom line is that that could be a

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footnote for the entire UFO research

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field it certainly has not progressed

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and that's why we're all sitting here

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right to talk about about that topic

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that subject and it's actually an in my

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humble opinion worse now

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in 2017 than it was in 1992 you know

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what I want to ask you more about that

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but I was really wanting to just finish

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up with Joshua P Warren and the reason

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is because we mentioned this an after

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the power cast he agreed to send me a

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radionics device you know what they are

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I couldn't begin to guess okay it's

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sometimes called a hieronymus box it's

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sometimes called a wishing machine and

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the best thing I could say about it is

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that it is designed supposedly to

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amplify your wishes and your hopes does

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that come with 8 ounces of Pixy dust

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that might help the pixie dust

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the Aladdin's lamp whatever it is I am

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NOT going to make any comments one way

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or the other and the reason I'm not is

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because I've got the thing working now I

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talked with Joshua Warren's business

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partner who sell these things and I've

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set it up with his instructions I don't

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want to prejudge anything I know you're

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very likely gonna be a very you

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skeptical person about it I just wanted

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to mention for the sake of our listeners

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that the device is set up it is I guess

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working in whatever way it works how

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much do they go for well you can build

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them yourself no no you said he's

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selling them I would have to look up

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probably a couple of hundred dollars

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and if you want something with all the

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bells and whistles it would probably

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cost more I will take a quick look as a

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matter of fact and see radionics and see

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Andreini onyx device let's just see what

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those things sell for we've got one here

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for a Bosch radionics device Bosch it's

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a very famous manufacturer from Germany

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$50 another one a three dial tuner

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radionics or 100 794 I mean it's not

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expensive I mean if you're tight for

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money I guess somebody I'll say you know

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what this is a waste of money

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if you just want to play with something

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and see what happens they're not super

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expensive they've got them on eBay and

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eBay let's just take a look radionics

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device and they've got one here a

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hundred thirteen dollars one hundred

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thirty two dollars a software twenty

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dollars well you know so you can get

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something as cheap as twenty dollars and

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get something for a hundred dollars and

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get something for a couple of thousand

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dollars and what do they do

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okay that's a good question and I am NOT

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an expert on this so don't even expect

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to get an answer that by any extent is

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gonna be definitive so that proves the

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simple adage that often there are more

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people with money than with brains okay

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well you know what there are a lot of

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things you can buy for $100 that may or

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may not have some kind of effect I mean

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women buy cosmetics and perfumes for

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$100 or $200 or tomato of materials that

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cost ten dollars well you know I I

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recently needed a another external hard

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drive okay for some things that I am

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doing back here at the Hacienda so I

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went over to Fry's Electronics and I got

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a one terabyte external drive for it was

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a little over fifty bucks okay brought

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it home very happy with it

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you know until several days ago I turned

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or well I hooked it up and tried to turn

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it on it was completely dead and I said

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to myself self there was fifty bucks out

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the window and then I thought for a

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second and I said oh wait let me call

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them up so I did it's a Seagate Drive

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okay and as it turns out they've got a

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new one coming to me I've got to send

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this one back and I'm happy but that was

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fifty bucks well spent

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now think the bare mind to when we talk

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about hard drives

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hard drives are very very fragile all

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right you're putting all your data and

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we're talking about here a terabyte for

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$50 which is pretty normal price you're

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putting all your data on something

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that's made up of tiny electrical

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components right and things can go wrong

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drive here as a backup drive and I've

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had it for seven years which is amazing

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because usually they're gone by them but

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that wasn't my point well we're gonna

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get to your point but we have to do a

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break first this what we can give our

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listeners a cliffhanger

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okay all right so we got Don Ecker with

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we also have swag you know we have all

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these exclusive power cast things that

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you can buy we've got like I guess 60 or

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so different items and entails t-shirts

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sleeves for notebook computers iPad

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tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and

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jackets and stuff like that for men and

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women we have a para cast aluminum water

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bottle all the stuff you go to steward

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dot ^ cast comm store dot the para cast

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com what makes special is that the items

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fabrics and they have our official logo

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on them that's what makes them special

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in multiple sizes and colors we even

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have stuff for children stuff for

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women's stuff for men we have all sorts

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of sizes like small up 2x large lot good

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stuff that's the swag from the para cast

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you go to steward dot ^ cast comm stop

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by and take a shopping tour hi there I'm

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Bob Eubanks you know as part of

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Hollywood for a long time I've seen my

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fair share of celebrities get in trouble

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with the IRS

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name in tax so if you owe more than ten

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okay so Don Ecker was telling us he

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bought the hard drive took it home it

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was DOA yeah and so my point of that

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whole story was that was fifty bucks

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well spent because I'm getting another

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hard drive now to buy that wishing box

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if I were to buy one

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and I sat here for the next six months

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using it wishing okay wishing for a used

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911 Porsche and one never showed up

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could I get my fifty or a hundred bucks

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back from them I suspect that kind of

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advice you don't nobody guarantees those

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things to work you're basically you know

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about the Ouija board you buy for $25

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what's a Ouija board cost now I have an

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Iowan I would not have one of those in

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my house well regardless of the reason

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you buy a Ouija board for $25 I'll go

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back to eBay you know it's been many

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years since I had one of these things

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and I am now going to eBay I think he

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based advice and advertising on the show

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okay

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Ouija board and they've got him here $20

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a vintage 1940s Egyptian mystic talking

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board with planchette for $200 another

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one $26 another one Parker Brothers

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glow-in-the-dark Ouija board $9.99 okay

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so the point is from $10 up to a couple

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hundred dollars to get yourself a Ouija

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board now if that doesn't work for you

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do you go back to the person who sold it

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to you and say you know it doesn't work

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you know

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caveat emptor when it comes to eBay well

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you know what here's the thing I've sold

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on eBay and I have a hundred percent

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rating so if you buy from me you'll know

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you'll get something we have purchased

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things from eBay not Ouija boards or

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anything but other stuff from vendors

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who have really high ratings and we've

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never run into a problem I mean if you

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get one of these one-off products and

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maybe the seller doesn't have a high

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reputation or is very new at it I would

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be real careful yeah well let's get back

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to the hard drive the hard drive we

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understand you buy an electronic

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component from a consumer electronics

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store they'll leave their ship you a new

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one if it's DOA or you bring it back to

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this store and they'll give you another

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one whatever it is we know that's gonna

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happen obviously if you're getting

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something in this mystic realm

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you know it's for experimentation it's

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for entertainment some people they might

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believe it works and maybe it does other

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people they don't but if you're always

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spending $100 there are a lot of things

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you could buy for $100 Jean value I was

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trying to live up to my reputation as

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the paranormal

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curmudgeon okay and we appreciate that

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oh here's one right here

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the original William Fuld Parker

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Brothers wooden Ouija board from the

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1960s

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$49.99 it's the original box I recognize

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that box I used to have one and I think

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it was like 15 $20 but we know you're

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going to be a corrosion and I merely

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give this as a reference to our

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listeners I'd rather make no decision

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pro or con about it after John keel left

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us okay there was really really nobody

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other than maybe Mosely to pick up the

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curmudgeon label so I mean somebody had

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to do it it's it's a dirty job but I

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stepped up so well you know we were

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talking about disclosure and someone

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like Stephen bass it's been around since

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the 1990s and I can't remember which

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year you mentioned things in the UFO

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feel the worse now than 1992 and putting

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that 25-year thing here but can you

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imagine in 1992 thinking we'd be talking

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about this stuff in 2017 and we've gone

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nowhere and that is an important point

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where we going to be perfectly honest in

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1992 people were talking about what had

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happened in 1947 and 1950 - so you know

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it's really kind of an ongoing theme

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with the UFO topic back in 92

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everybody was gearing up in just a few

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short years at that time it was going to

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be the 50th anniversary of Roswell okay

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the r-word right do you remember what

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was going on at that time I mean Kevin

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Randall and Don Schmitt were still a

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team Stanton Friedman was still out

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there touting the Roswell thing I mean

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that was a huge theme well at that time

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almost not quite 50 years in the past 45

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or so

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years in the past so yeah yeah this this

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field is pretty much the same as it's

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always been

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we're always looking backwards we're

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very very seldom ever looking forward

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and that's that's something that most

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people probably that inhabit this little

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lunatic asylum fails to see or or does

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not acknowledge for whatever reason well

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you know what when it comes to Kevin

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Randle as you know he's been going back

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to some of these old cases and maybe is

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less amenable to accepting them

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certainly Roswell is a big example we

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had a very interesting show with Kevin a

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few weeks back in honoring the

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publication of the book Roswell in the

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21st century where he pretty much admits

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that he can't find any evidence that

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leads them to believe there were bodies

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there or that Roscoe was a spaceship he

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can't find evidence that makes them

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believe it was a mogul balloon or

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something

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conventional maybe a test aircraft back

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to him it's not explained but there's

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not enough compelling evidence to point

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than in the other direction we don't

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know something happened we don't know

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most of the testimony completely falls

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apart that's a case that refuses to die

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and just go away but you know speaking

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speaking about looking forward I had a

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call from a guy about a week and a half

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ago somebody that was friend of mine but

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I had not spoken with this guy and

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probably about two and a half years or

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so so we were catching up and I was

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asking him what he was doing and somehow

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we began speaking about some of these

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videos that have been coming down

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occasionally from the international

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space station you know what let's pick

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that up in our next segment because

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we're just about out of time with this

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one and we'll progress with that

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conversation are we getting anywhere

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with you

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there's a lot of this playing the old

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game over and over again getting

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tiresome we got more to come with Don

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Ecker our favorite curmudgeon and Chris

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O'Brien who could do the curmudgeon game

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pretty good himself oh yeah you're in

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turned the tables and are now destroying

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tests how is this even possible turns

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out the old guys in this unit had been

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a fellow that I had not spoken with in a

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couple of years and we were catching up

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toward the International Space Station

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these videos that had been beamed back

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from the ISS where they seemed to show

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inexplicable unknown objects flying into

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cutting the feed off you guys are

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familiar with that right yeah yes so

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this guy said to me you know he said I

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don't think necessarily that that might

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be extraterrestrial technology and I

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thought about it for a second and I said

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yeah you're probably right because I

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mean this this is not like it only

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happens once every one or two blue moons

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this has been kind of a frequent thing

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possibility of some element within the

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top-secret space faring organization

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that is totally top-secret in other

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words with extraordinarily advanced

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technology and this guy asked me so what

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do you think about that well to be

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honest guys 15-20 years ago I would have

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dismissed that probably with a wave of

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my hand but these days I would not dare

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to be that forward and

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you know part of what attracted me

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originally to this field was going all

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the way back to when I first became

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actively involved and I've talked about

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it on the pear cast in previous

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broadcasts before I really jumped into

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the fray I did an intensive historical

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retrospective on it just to find out

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what literature was was in the field I

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ended up talking to a lot of people back

629
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then people that were very prominent

630
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ufologists then people like Stanton

631
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Friedman people like William Moore Linda

632
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Howe and others and suddenly it hit me

633
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Donald Kehoe back in 1957-58 in one of

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his books spoke about dr. Hermann Oberth

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who was considered to be the the Dean or

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the Godfather of German rocket research

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and this of course was 1314 years after

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the end of World War Two over it

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survived he was over here and he had

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just signed a contract to work with the

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Pentagon on who knows what and in his

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last public news conference and he never

643
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gave another one after that because I

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guess he was under security restrictions

645
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Oberth talked about the fact that they

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were working on grow vidiq research of

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some type that would enable his words

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not mine

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enable humankind mankind americans i

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suppose to go to the moon in ours okay

651
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with this new research and that was the

652
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end of it nobody ever heard another word

653
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:22,690
again this is interesting because as you

654
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were talking I looked online and found

655
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:30,520
an old page from the early days of NICAP

656
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major Kiyo's organization quoting

657
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professor Hermann Oberth do you remember

658
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:38,080
what you said about UFOs

659
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well he he was was very open to the

660
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possibility that they demonstrated

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extraterrestrial intelligence here's

662
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exactly what he said

663
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it is my thesis that flying saucers are

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real and that they are spaceships from

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another solar system I think that they

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possibly are manned by intelligent

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observers who are members of a race that

668
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may have been investigating our earth

669
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for centuries and comes from an article

670
00:32:13,230 --> 00:32:09,250
called flying saucers come from a

671
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distant world dated in 1954 okay that

672
00:32:18,750 --> 00:32:16,240
was even before what I was just relaying

673
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:18,760
yes indeed now he's a long time was a

674
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long time UFO believer as far as I can

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see from here and the guy had quite a

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resume so yeah when you have things like

677
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that and this is why I find you know the

678
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skeptics that are still around today

679
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people like Shermer people like Jim

680
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Oberg whom I can't believe that they are

681
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in real life as closed-minded as they

682
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portray themselves Alberg especially

683
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when he laughs okay when he laughs at

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the topic of UFOs kind of like when I

685
00:33:08,460 --> 00:33:04,840
was on that broadcast of Larry King Live

686
00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:08,470
with him talking about sts-48 okay

687
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in my opinion that guy was simply

688
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touting the the public NASA line and I I

689
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would love to sit down with Oberg over a

690
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bottle of bourbon and get him really

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talking in a closed room with no

692
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microphones okay I would love to see

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what he actually thinks and you're

694
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saying here done that he's basically

695
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saying it for public consumption

696
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absolutely absolutely and and I'm also

697
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firmly convinced that when when he goes

698
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out on television

699
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he goes to these places to poopoo the

700
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UFO job he's doing it have to behest of

701
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the powers that be in NASA or wherever

702
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:01,289
else who was you know the guy was a

703
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nuclear officer in the Air Force he was

704
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dealing with above top-secret items

705
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okay dealing with nuclear weapons and

706
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who knows what else so yeah yeah I can't

707
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I can't believe and I've tried for years

708
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years to get over on my radio show to

709
00:34:33,149 --> 00:34:29,799
interview him and he just refuses so

710
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what's that tell you well you know there

711
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obviously are several opinions were

712
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gonna have there I invited Oberg at one

713
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time to come on the power cast after I

714
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got a letter from him about one thing or

715
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another and I've been in touch with him

716
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very very slightly over the years but he

717
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didn't want to so are probably the same

718
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reasons of course he didn't because well

719
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you know coming on with me I mean the

720
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guy has been on national TV with me and

721
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when it comes to debating the issue of

722
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whether there is or is not anything to

723
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do with the UFO topic I'm persona non

724
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grata with practically all the noted and

725
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:22,930
known skeptics and I have at one point

726
00:35:28,890 --> 00:35:25,930
or another I butted heads with just

727
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about all of them so yeah they they

728
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steer clear me now I'm not saying that's

729
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because they're afraid of me or whatever

730
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but I do not play the game the way they

731
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prefer to have the game play you know

732
00:35:45,799 --> 00:35:43,569
which is to sit back and and politely

733
00:35:49,170 --> 00:35:45,809
smile while they go on with their

734
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:49,180
preposterous explanations it just

735
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:52,480
doesn't doesn't sit well with me so as a

736
00:36:01,650 --> 00:35:58,690
result they they avoid me well we can

737
00:36:02,279 --> 00:36:01,660
say they're chickening out and leave it

738
00:36:05,099 --> 00:36:02,289
at that you know

739
00:36:07,319 --> 00:36:05,109
I don't know I was looking at the letter

740
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I got from Oberg and it goes back to

741
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2010 and it's just some general matter

742
00:36:16,979 --> 00:36:14,079
and in response I said you know come on

743
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the parrot test he never answers so

744
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maybe he feels were too small and you're

745
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too small

746
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and maybe that's it I don't know maybe

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he feels nice maybe a certain kind of

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rating but certainly we've had skeptics

749
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on the power cast before so you know

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they have their chance we have a chance

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to tell you more about things and we'll

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get on with our friend Don Ecker the

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curmudgeon of the year will calm the

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this is actually you listening to the

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podcast the gold standard of Carnival

858
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:36,000
so we're gonna have a curmudgeon of the

859
00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:39,760
Year award Don Ecker and I'm sure you're

860
00:41:44,579 --> 00:41:42,190
willing to collect the award right does

861
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:44,589
that come with a gift card to McDonald's

862
00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:48,130
or you know you know what I'll tell you

863
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:50,940
what if you come into the Phoenix area

864
00:41:58,620 --> 00:41:53,920
Chris and I will get you something more

865
00:42:00,480 --> 00:41:58,630
than McDonald's gift card actually puts

866
00:42:02,609 --> 00:42:00,490
a McDonald gift card of probably just

867
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,619
before one of their coffees you know

868
00:42:06,660 --> 00:42:04,480
they try to compete with Starbucks at

869
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:06,670
half the price there's got to be a Big

870
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:08,410
Mac or Nothing pal

871
00:42:15,859 --> 00:42:10,690
they're coming up with a brand new Big

872
00:42:20,579 --> 00:42:18,930
already hey is Chris still there I mean

873
00:42:24,510 --> 00:42:20,589
I'm just you know mr. fly-on-the-wall

874
00:42:27,570 --> 00:42:24,520
and listening to you done I barely heard

875
00:42:30,510 --> 00:42:27,580
you speak since we began well you know

876
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:30,520
I'm just I'm sitting here fascinated

877
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:33,849
listening to you and and appreciating

878
00:42:37,050 --> 00:42:35,710
the fact that we haven't had you on the

879
00:42:40,290 --> 00:42:37,060
show for a while so we've got lots to

880
00:42:44,849 --> 00:42:40,300
talk about oh by the way there is a

881
00:42:48,450 --> 00:42:44,859
person named Donald Gorski of Fond du

882
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:48,460
Lac and that's in what Wisconsin or

883
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:51,010
something whatever he claims to be the

884
00:43:01,470 --> 00:42:55,839
world's greatest Big Mac eater he is

885
00:43:06,359 --> 00:43:01,480
eaten 29,000 110 Big Macs and he's still

886
00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:06,369
living yeah he is eating them every day

887
00:43:13,710 --> 00:43:10,680
since 1972 he's only missed eight days

888
00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:13,720
what's his waist size I'm wondering I

889
00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:16,060
have picture of him here he looks like

890
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:19,270
he might be slightly heavy but not that

891
00:43:27,210 --> 00:43:22,510
much no he looks fairly normal he says

892
00:43:30,839 --> 00:43:27,220
he expects to eat his 30,000 Big Mac in

893
00:43:34,290 --> 00:43:30,849
May of 2018 well you know it kind of

894
00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:34,300
reminds me of one of my my friends the

895
00:43:41,450 --> 00:43:37,660
other day put a meme up on my Facebook

896
00:43:43,890 --> 00:43:41,460
page and it's one of the innumerable

897
00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:43,900
protests now currently going on around

898
00:43:47,579 --> 00:43:45,460
the country and

899
00:43:50,820 --> 00:43:47,589
there's a guy standing there with a sign

900
00:43:54,450 --> 00:43:50,830
and actually it's quite funny the meme

901
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:54,460
says me at a protest and the sign says I

902
00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:01,119
was told there would be cake so so if I

903
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:03,160
go to any of those it's got to be cake

904
00:44:12,089 --> 00:44:06,310
or nothing okay the new one is gonna be

905
00:44:13,530 --> 00:44:12,099
called the grand mac oh god well you

906
00:44:15,390 --> 00:44:13,540
know it's kind of like the New Coke

907
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,400
remember they had the New Coke and they

908
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,680
totally redid the formula and it went

909
00:44:22,980 --> 00:44:19,599
nowhere so they came out with the old

910
00:44:26,339 --> 00:44:22,990
coke called coke classic so now they

911
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:26,349
have a Big Mac a Mac jr. and a grande

912
00:44:32,579 --> 00:44:29,440
Mac well they used to have a McRib

913
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:32,589
sandwich and they were delicious and

914
00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:35,920
yeah that was yeah well they they don't

915
00:44:42,450 --> 00:44:38,950
have that anymore I don't know why but I

916
00:44:44,099 --> 00:44:42,460
think they should know buddy who eats

917
00:44:47,099 --> 00:44:44,109
salads from Wendy's

918
00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:47,109
I don't know from such things how about

919
00:44:52,589 --> 00:44:49,660
Carl's jr. oh they're great

920
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:52,599
oh yeah Vicky loves the only the only

921
00:44:58,130 --> 00:44:54,970
natural all-natural fast-food hamburger

922
00:45:01,849 --> 00:44:58,140
besides in and out well now there is

923
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:01,859
California's secret weapon in and out

924
00:45:07,950 --> 00:45:04,930
like in and out I went there once when

925
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:07,960
they first came to the Scottsdale area

926
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:10,810
my son Grayson and I waited for like 45

927
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:13,599
minutes to be served to me it tasted

928
00:45:19,890 --> 00:45:15,490
like it was all lettuce with a tiny

929
00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:19,900
little burger oh and they always ask do

930
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:23,230
you want fresh onions on that absolutely

931
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:26,910
please and oh my lord are they good Oh

932
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:31,089
in-n-out burgers you bet you yeah they

933
00:45:35,609 --> 00:45:33,730
have control over the entire process of

934
00:45:38,010 --> 00:45:35,619
their beef and they they process it

935
00:45:40,349 --> 00:45:38,020
daily they make their own fries there

936
00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:40,359
it's the only place if I have to have a

937
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:42,550
fast-food hamburger if I'm on the road

938
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:44,650
or something that would be the my go-to

939
00:45:50,910 --> 00:45:48,609
place Carl's jr. and Hardee's have an

940
00:45:53,339 --> 00:45:50,920
all-natural burger now and that's very

941
00:45:57,390 --> 00:45:53,349
good no antibiotics no steroids

942
00:45:58,530 --> 00:45:57,400
grass-fed you know none of the fathoms

943
00:46:00,750 --> 00:45:58,540
that they stick in there

944
00:46:04,050 --> 00:46:00,760
commercial beef and guess what they

945
00:46:06,570 --> 00:46:04,060
charge you $2 more for them but I did

946
00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:06,580
try one by the way I did try one that a

947
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:08,200
Carl's jr. just down the street from

948
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:11,290
here and it was quite good we have

949
00:46:18,210 --> 00:46:15,060
another secret spot here with a killer

950
00:46:22,830 --> 00:46:18,220
hamburger and you guys are probably

951
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:22,840
familiar with it Bob's Big Boy oh my

952
00:46:28,530 --> 00:46:25,110
heaven they have a secret sauce on that

953
00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:28,540
to die for let's get away from the

954
00:46:33,690 --> 00:46:30,790
hamburgers because that's when all right

955
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:33,700
if you want to come to Arizona Chris and

956
00:46:41,550 --> 00:46:36,850
I will buy you an all-natural hamburger

957
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:41,560
from Carl's jr. how's that okay oh well

958
00:46:45,330 --> 00:46:44,290
we'll add ham Chia on it I don't know

959
00:46:47,940 --> 00:46:45,340
what it will have on it you know

960
00:46:50,460 --> 00:46:47,950
whatever they give you yeah cheese you

961
00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:50,470
get the usual stuff I'm looking at a

962
00:46:56,330 --> 00:46:53,020
picture right now so it's lettuce tomato

963
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:56,340
cheese hold the Mayo

964
00:47:04,020 --> 00:46:59,440
well on just one more note about

965
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:04,030
sandwiches okay just one a couple of

966
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:07,210
months back we were sitting around Vicki

967
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:08,410
and I were sitting around discussing

968
00:47:14,430 --> 00:47:11,650
what we wanted for dinner that night

969
00:47:16,410 --> 00:47:14,440
and suddenly I had a thought that hit me

970
00:47:19,740 --> 00:47:16,420
you guys know I'm from the East Coast

971
00:47:23,610 --> 00:47:19,750
right I'm from Pennsylvania and I said

972
00:47:27,570 --> 00:47:23,620
hey sweetie I got an idea how would you

973
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:27,580
like a Philly cheesesteak and she said

974
00:47:33,570 --> 00:47:31,330
I've had Philly cheesesteaks and I said

975
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:33,580
where she said wad here you can go to

976
00:47:37,740 --> 00:47:35,530
any restaurant and get a Philly

977
00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:37,750
cheesesteak right but I lived in

978
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:39,190
Pennsylvania I know what a Philly

979
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:42,970
cheesesteak is I said I said well I'll

980
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:44,650
tell you what sweetie

981
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:47,110
I'm going down to the store and get the

982
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:50,530
fixin's I went down bought a 2-pound

983
00:48:00,510 --> 00:47:56,170
prime rib a steak brought it home along

984
00:48:05,070 --> 00:48:00,520
with some hoagie type rolls some pump

985
00:48:09,090 --> 00:48:05,080
cheese some huge white onions and green

986
00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:09,100
peppers and I cooked her up a Philly

987
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:12,280
cheesesteak to die for and

988
00:48:18,990 --> 00:48:15,130
I don't like the word to die for when it

989
00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:19,000
comes to talking about beef oh this is

990
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:20,080
good

991
00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:22,570
but anyway I said there's one more

992
00:48:27,180 --> 00:48:25,240
secret ingredient and she looked at this

993
00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:27,190
and she said well you got everything

994
00:48:33,690 --> 00:48:28,750
then I said no I don't

995
00:48:37,830 --> 00:48:33,700
and she said what I said some caps Blue

996
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:37,840
Ribbon beer now that is a Pennsylvania

997
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:40,690
party dinner let me tell you what so I

998
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:45,130
got a 12-pack of PBR and boy did we have

999
00:48:54,540 --> 00:48:50,050
a nice meal I even took pictures of it

1000
00:48:56,190 --> 00:48:54,550
and put it on Facebook Wow let's go back

1001
00:48:58,500 --> 00:48:56,200
to our subject otherwise this is going

1002
00:49:01,500 --> 00:48:58,510
to become the Food Show and people who

1003
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:01,510
think they turn to the wrong station and

1004
00:49:07,050 --> 00:49:03,730
we don't want that but let's move away

1005
00:49:09,570 --> 00:49:07,060
from the grass-fed beef and the Philly

1006
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:09,580
cheesesteaks from Pennsylvania and I

1007
00:49:13,230 --> 00:49:11,170
know what they taste like I've had them

1008
00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:13,240
and let's get back into our crazy

1009
00:49:16,650 --> 00:49:15,369
subject here but what do you think here

1010
00:49:18,450 --> 00:49:16,660
you know I know you don't like to talk

1011
00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:18,460
about the old cases because it's like

1012
00:49:24,359 --> 00:49:22,510
you're becoming a fossil and we see

1013
00:49:27,210 --> 00:49:24,369
we're certainly Kevin Randall did a

1014
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:27,220
really good job with Roswell to look at

1015
00:49:31,260 --> 00:49:28,720
it as a cold case he's looking into

1016
00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:31,270
saqar on new mexico now but doesn't it

1017
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:33,910
make sense here for some people to take

1018
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:36,609
these cases that so many people have

1019
00:49:41,730 --> 00:49:40,090
uses linchpins of UFO reality give them

1020
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:41,740
a second look and if they don't hold up

1021
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:44,710
set them aside get rid of them otherwise

1022
00:49:51,090 --> 00:49:47,490
they're just never going to go away look

1023
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:51,100
gene you've gotta currently a generation

1024
00:49:57,570 --> 00:49:54,900
of UFO quote-unquote researchers okay

1025
00:50:02,550 --> 00:49:57,580
sitting in mom's basement with their

1026
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:02,560
laptop on the net okay dad is their idea

1027
00:50:08,370 --> 00:50:05,680
of doing UFO research and what are they

1028
00:50:13,950 --> 00:50:08,380
researching all this stuff that was

1029
00:50:16,310 --> 00:50:13,960
researched 20 30 40 and 50 years ago now

1030
00:50:19,230 --> 00:50:16,320
are they researching or just rehashing

1031
00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:19,240
they're regurgitating their reasons you

1032
00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:22,750
say yeah yeah the point is if we're

1033
00:50:29,010 --> 00:50:25,900
going to focus on these ancient cases

1034
00:50:30,990 --> 00:50:29,020
well what else yeah in the sense of

1035
00:50:33,390 --> 00:50:31,000
let's set the maasai let's see if they

1036
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:33,400
still pass muster and if they do fine

1037
00:50:40,170 --> 00:50:36,910
and if they don't pass muster set them

1038
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:40,180
aside and get on to something Jane

1039
00:50:47,580 --> 00:50:42,850
you're not these people won't set them

1040
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:47,590
aside this is all brand new to them okay

1041
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:51,250
to the to the 20-somethings this is all

1042
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:52,960
brand new information they weren't

1043
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:55,330
around them you know you you look at

1044
00:51:01,950 --> 00:50:59,200
some of these really stellar cases okay

1045
00:51:05,010 --> 00:51:01,960
and we can go back to the 50s and the

1046
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,020
60s some of those cases I mean the other

1047
00:51:12,210 --> 00:51:07,920
day I was going through my rather

1048
00:51:14,730 --> 00:51:12,220
extensive still library and I pulled out

1049
00:51:17,550 --> 00:51:14,740
a book by Ivan Sanderson

1050
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:17,560
okay now Sanderson was a contemporary

1051
00:51:23,580 --> 00:51:20,650
with people like lunge long John Neville

1052
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:23,590
he was a contemporary with people like

1053
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:24,970
John keel

1054
00:51:29,580 --> 00:51:27,760
I knew Sanderson slightly in those days

1055
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:29,590
but let me tell you now before we go on

1056
00:51:34,140 --> 00:51:31,930
let's take a pause that refreshes and

1057
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:34,150
then we'll get back with Pabst Blue

1058
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:36,610
Ribbon beer or something I will be back

1059
00:51:48,550 --> 00:51:39,250
in a moment with Donecker and Jean and

1060
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:52,480
you are listening to GCN

1061
00:52:00,670 --> 00:51:58,640
visit GC and live.com today attack of

1062
00:52:02,980 --> 00:52:00,680
the rocket has been well-received by

1063
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:02,990
critics and readers alike it's a thrill

1064
00:52:07,420 --> 00:52:05,089
a minute story you'll never forget a

1065
00:52:10,089 --> 00:52:07,430
former US military intelligence officer

1066
00:52:12,579 --> 00:52:10,099
is haunted by intense dreams about a

1067
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:12,589
beautiful woman pleading for his help

1068
00:52:17,620 --> 00:52:15,040
after a terrible battle in outer space

1069
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:17,630
but the dreams turn out to be true and

1070
00:52:22,270 --> 00:52:19,910
thrust him into a telepathic love affair

1071
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:22,280
with a woman whose faraway planet is

1072
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:25,490
intent on destroying the earth and now

1073
00:52:30,430 --> 00:52:27,710
the gripping tale continues in the

1074
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[Music]

1117
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:10,010
welcome back to the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

1119
00:54:21,310 --> 00:54:18,360
here's Jane Steinberg

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[Music]

1121
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:24,270
so then Don Ecker let's talk about Ivan

1122
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:28,200
T Sanderson I remember visiting his home

1123
00:54:32,839 --> 00:54:29,760
a couple of times

1124
00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:32,849
and this exists this guy was a Brit okay

1125
00:54:38,510 --> 00:54:36,150
he was he was from Great Britain he had

1126
00:54:43,490 --> 00:54:38,520
been during the Second World War he had

1127
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been a intelligence officer I mean the

1128
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guy was a major figure back in those

1129
00:54:53,380 --> 00:54:49,680
days but if you were to throw his name

1130
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:53,390
out there today okay and he was

1131
00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:57,570
literally then one of the Giants in the

1132
00:55:04,640 --> 00:54:59,940
field most people would look at you

1133
00:55:07,070 --> 00:55:04,650
blankly and go huh so my point is the

1134
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:07,080
people today that consider themselves

1135
00:55:13,570 --> 00:55:10,680
and it's it's really laughable for me to

1136
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:13,580
even say this but on the cutting edge of

1137
00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:17,130
current research these people would be

1138
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:19,859
like saying well who was John Smith I

1139
00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:23,250
don't know I mean it's just you know the

1140
00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:27,240
the the art of Investigation has

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completely collapsed with the exception

1142
00:55:39,620 --> 00:55:34,400
of a very few people like Chris O'Brien

1143
00:55:43,550 --> 00:55:39,630
okay or even Kevin Randle that are going

1144
00:55:46,310 --> 00:55:43,560
now out there in the field very few

1145
00:55:48,829 --> 00:55:46,320
people are doing that now at that very

1146
00:55:50,570 --> 00:55:48,839
quickly here with Ivan T Sanderson one

1147
00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:50,580
of the things that's unfortunate is he

1148
00:55:56,270 --> 00:55:53,369
died fairly young he was just passed a

1149
00:56:00,800 --> 00:55:56,280
62nd birthday when he died in February

1150
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:00,810
of 1973 February 19th which is an

1151
00:56:06,530 --> 00:56:03,839
interesting day C February 19th number

1152
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:06,540
one that's my son's birthday February

1153
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:09,210
19th is Batman's birthday you know I

1154
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,770
don't know if you knew that the

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00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:12,480
character Batman is supposedly born

1156
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:15,410
February 19th he died on February 19th

1157
00:56:18,980 --> 00:56:18,480
1973 and this was a time when we had

1158
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:18,990
yeah

1159
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:21,930
major UFO activity and everything and it

1160
00:56:27,140 --> 00:56:24,210
would have been nice if he hung out for

1161
00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:27,150
another 10 20 years yeah would have been

1162
00:56:34,460 --> 00:56:29,640
but then you know Frank Edwards died on

1163
00:56:39,620 --> 00:56:34,470
June 24th 1967 if my memory serves me

1164
00:56:44,359 --> 00:56:39,630
and or was at 66 it was either 66 or 67

1165
00:56:46,820 --> 00:56:44,369
now what is June 24th known for Kenneth

1166
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:46,830
Arnold Kenneth Arnold sighting his

1167
00:56:52,030 --> 00:56:49,650
infamous sighting above Mount Ranier

1168
00:56:57,620 --> 00:56:52,040
so yeah you you find these little

1169
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:57,630
oddities that pop up but hey you know my

1170
00:57:04,580 --> 00:57:00,720
original point being that today people

1171
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:04,590
like Sanderson even to a great extent

1172
00:57:12,350 --> 00:57:08,400
John Neville are no longer known or

1173
00:57:16,340 --> 00:57:12,360
recognized by the people that that claim

1174
00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:16,350
to be current day ufologists so you know

1175
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:19,430
the whole thing look I left the field

1176
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:23,730
active research I quit you guys as

1177
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:25,890
matter of fact gene you you interviewed

1178
00:57:34,580 --> 00:57:30,420
me in 2006 I left the field you

1179
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:34,590
interviewed me in early 2007 about it

1180
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:41,010
and you know I I looked what then was

1181
00:57:49,390 --> 00:57:44,460
happening and Vicki and I had completely

1182
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:49,400
gotten out of UFO magazine I was totally

1183
00:57:56,900 --> 00:57:53,130
disgusted with the direction that UFO

1184
00:58:00,740 --> 00:57:56,910
magazine had taken little knowing then

1185
00:58:05,570 --> 00:58:00,750
that the whole enterprise was about to

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collapse because the then publishers

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decided to take a year off so one of

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them could write a novel even while

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00:58:20,030 --> 00:58:15,720
still taking subscription money and I

1190
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:20,040
mean you know I I could see then that

1191
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,090
the whole field of research was on its

1192
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:27,119
way out the window this is 2007 that's

1193
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,250
10 years ago so theoretically here

1194
00:58:32,780 --> 00:58:31,680
you've you're still obviously doing your

1195
00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:32,790
radio show and everything

1196
00:58:36,110 --> 00:58:34,260
but you're not actively going out there

1197
00:58:39,050 --> 00:58:36,120
checking cases you're talking about them

1198
00:58:42,050 --> 00:58:39,060
so you shall we say our half retired

1199
00:58:45,290 --> 00:58:42,060
from the field is that fair well I'm not

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making a nickel on it so I you know half

1201
00:58:53,020 --> 00:58:49,100
retired is not even an accurate

1202
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:53,030
depiction of what I'm doing I enjoy

1203
00:59:02,540 --> 00:58:57,770
having you know people on to discuss

1204
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:02,550
what they are doing or in many cases you

1205
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:04,910
know we will often talk about

1206
00:59:12,110 --> 00:59:08,490
personalities in the field or other

1207
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:12,120
things but I'll give you an example last

1208
00:59:23,330 --> 00:59:17,760
week on the show one name that was very

1209
00:59:26,780 --> 00:59:23,340
prominent in the UFO research arena that

1210
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:26,790
was very prominent 20 years ago popped

1211
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:34,410
up from the Bentwaters case okay Larry

1212
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:40,020
Warren and Larry Warren along with then

1213
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:46,260
Peter Robbins okay was a very well known

1214
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:49,680
name about a very strange case that took

1215
00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:55,410
place around Christmas of 1980 US Air

1216
01:00:03,080 --> 00:59:58,410
Force Base in the UK in the United

1217
01:00:09,350 --> 01:00:03,090
Kingdom that housed nuclear weapons all

1218
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:09,360
right now almost at the beginning when

1219
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:12,450
this case first became known there was a

1220
01:00:21,620 --> 01:00:16,370
tremendous about amount of controversy

1221
01:00:25,580 --> 01:00:21,630
about abend waters and some of the other

1222
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:25,590
then known because they were still

1223
01:00:31,310 --> 01:00:28,650
active duty Air Force security police

1224
01:00:33,710 --> 01:00:31,320
that were involved in that there was a

1225
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:33,720
lot of controversy about whether Warren

1226
01:00:38,570 --> 01:00:34,770
was there or not

1227
01:00:42,170 --> 01:00:38,580
well ultimately Peter Robbins and Larry

1228
01:00:45,130 --> 01:00:42,180
Warren wrote a book that was very well

1229
01:00:50,829 --> 01:00:45,140
received called left at Eastgate

1230
01:00:54,009 --> 01:00:50,839
however today it appears like a huge

1231
01:00:59,470 --> 01:00:54,019
amount of warrants testimony has been

1232
01:01:05,740 --> 01:00:59,480
totally discredited and Robyn's Peter

1233
01:01:09,099 --> 01:01:05,750
Robbins broke the relationship as a very

1234
01:01:14,049 --> 01:01:09,109
public manner - you should add well yeah

1235
01:01:21,099 --> 01:01:14,059
yeah in a very public manner now things

1236
01:01:24,970 --> 01:01:21,109
like that do nothing nothing to advance

1237
01:01:28,029 --> 01:01:24,980
the field all right it's kind of like

1238
01:01:31,180 --> 01:01:28,039
our old buddy Phil and Bragg No

1239
01:01:34,589 --> 01:01:31,190
all right villain Bragg know who had

1240
01:01:39,279 --> 01:01:34,599
been prominent going back all the way to

1241
01:01:41,549 --> 01:01:39,289
the late 70s the early eighties writing

1242
01:01:47,519 --> 01:01:41,559
books with the likes of J Allen Hynek

1243
01:01:52,410 --> 01:01:47,529
who suddenly his entire public persona

1244
01:01:57,749 --> 01:01:52,420
collapsed into a morass of lies and

1245
01:02:01,120 --> 01:01:57,759
deceit about all aspects of his

1246
01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:01,130
so-called contribution to the field of

1247
01:02:09,579 --> 01:02:05,920
UFO research even to include a fantasy

1248
01:02:12,220 --> 01:02:09,589
military career so you know he had the

1249
01:02:16,059 --> 01:02:12,230
fantasy military career he had the

1250
01:02:18,130 --> 01:02:16,069
fantasy educational career he pretended

1251
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:18,140
to have gone to MIT neva wore the

1252
01:02:24,430 --> 01:02:20,960
t-shirt right I'm self an official MIT

1253
01:02:26,620 --> 01:02:24,440
t-shirt and I remember this because you

1254
01:02:28,539 --> 01:02:26,630
were on the podcast at the time and we

1255
01:02:30,670 --> 01:02:28,549
had dealt with a skeptic who used to

1256
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:30,680
hang out in our forums and he checked

1257
01:02:36,759 --> 01:02:33,650
the fellows educational credentials and

1258
01:02:39,999 --> 01:02:36,769
in that particular case though you know

1259
01:02:41,650 --> 01:02:40,009
once he was exposed as far as I know he

1260
01:02:44,859 --> 01:02:41,660
pretty much went away he hasn't been

1261
01:02:48,460 --> 01:02:44,869
back whereas another character guy from

1262
01:02:50,499 --> 01:02:48,470
Pennsylvania named butch Witkowski who

1263
01:02:52,210 --> 01:02:50,509
claims certain credentials to be a law

1264
01:02:55,509 --> 01:02:52,220
enforcement officer and everything and

1265
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:55,519
those credentials came crashing down and

1266
01:03:01,069 --> 01:02:58,319
he just came back as if nothing

1267
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:01,079
he's got his own radio show now he's

1268
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:04,650
still around hey I've got his his rap

1269
01:03:12,380 --> 01:03:08,249
sheet okay that I saved I I was

1270
01:03:15,049 --> 01:03:12,390
contacted back then with wachowski I

1271
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:15,059
interviewed wachowski yeah we did sir

1272
01:03:21,049 --> 01:03:15,599
sure

1273
01:03:26,420 --> 01:03:21,059
I interviewed him and you know the guy

1274
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:26,430
was claiming to be a former cop and it

1275
01:03:33,140 --> 01:03:28,650
was kind of a weird interview because it

1276
01:03:35,569 --> 01:03:33,150
did not at the time strike me okay like

1277
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:35,579
I was talking to another cop but I had a

1278
01:03:44,239 --> 01:03:41,039
I had a private investigator contact me

1279
01:03:46,459 --> 01:03:44,249
about what Kowski let's get into more of

1280
01:03:50,209 --> 01:03:46,469
that in our next segment with Don Ecker

1281
01:03:59,660 --> 01:03:50,219
and Gina and Chris you're in the para

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cast attack of the rock AIDS has been

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01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:01,440
well received by critics and readers

1284
01:04:06,199 --> 01:04:03,420
alike it's a thrill a minute story

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01:04:08,539 --> 01:04:06,209
you'll never forget a former US military

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01:04:10,819 --> 01:04:08,549
intelligence officer is haunted by

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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1288
01:04:16,189 --> 01:04:13,469
pleading for his help after a terrible

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01:04:17,329 --> 01:04:16,199
battle in outer space but the dreams

1290
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:17,339
turn out to be true

1291
01:04:21,410 --> 01:04:19,410
and thrust him into a telepathic love

1292
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:21,420
affair with a woman who's far away

1293
01:04:26,930 --> 01:04:24,209
planet is intent on destroying the earth

1294
01:04:29,839 --> 01:04:26,940
and now the gripping tale continues in

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the coming of the protectors it's the

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01:04:34,489 --> 01:04:31,979
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01:04:40,819 --> 01:04:39,150
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let's pick up where we left off Don

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Ecker talking about Butch Witkowski he

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appeared on your show and I guess

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summer-long bells went off there some

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things didn't take to his right you were

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contacted by a private investigator what

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happened yes back east in Pennsylvania

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he said you know he said somehow he came

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across this guy this investigator as a

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matter of fact I believe was a UFO

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aficionado and he said you know I did I

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did some checking on this guy because

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the thing

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jaymund Chris that originally piqued my

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interest was before I ever even met

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butch wachowski he was touting some of

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my research on human mutilations

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and he claimed that he was investigating

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what he thought was a human mutilation

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back in Pennsylvania and then he went

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off with some old files that another guy

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that ended up being a total phony with a

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another fantasy

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the military background in Vietnam in

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the Special Forces a guy by the name of

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Bill English that went all the way back

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to the 80s with John Lear who had a

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rather colorful story about being part

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of a recovery effort looking for a b-52

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that was knocked down during the Vietnam

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War and these guys came upon the site

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and there were supposedly aliens there

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that it shot the 52 down and they were

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packaging up human body parts and all

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kinds of crap okay well I had already

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helped another guy expose bill English

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and this is in the early 90s okay I had

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helped another British she was as a

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matter of fact a british skeptic that

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exposed English's story and the bottom

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line was that wachowski was using all

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this stuff then the private dick sent me

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his criminal records as a matter of fact

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if I recall gene I even had them

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uploaded to the para cast at one point

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didn't I I believe they're probably

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there in the forums if you look it up

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yeah we certainly would have that

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information I'll check it as we continue

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this has always been the problem in the

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UFO field as a matter of fact when I

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left okay when I left active research I

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wrote a paper called my 20 years in the

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UFO fog and my lord today it's my 30s in

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the UFO fog but I wrote a document then

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and that incidentally is also on the

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para cast in the dark matters radio

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forum I believe but I stated the part of

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my discontent was that

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no matter how many times these clowns

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these liars

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these deceitful people that have

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attached themselves the UFO field have

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been exposed it never sticks now you

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just mentioned what Kowski is back he's

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got his own radio show how many people

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know that this guy is a total clown and

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a fraud or people like Phil and Brock no

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and hey look sooner or later I got no

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doubt Phil's gonna pop back up okay you

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know it's been what seven years since he

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was exposed in Brock No

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so I don't know maybe he feels he should

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just take up whatever he's gonna take up

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somewhere else maybe but maybe not I

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mean hey

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never say never you know he was a guest

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on a radio show a couple months back so

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he has kind of stuck his head up you

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have other people that I mean go back a

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long time ago I mean today my lord today

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there is still a healthy minority of

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people out on the web that think that

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Milton William Cooper aka Bill Cooper

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was a leading light in exposing the

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secret government not knowing or not

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caring what a checkered past he had so

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you know that's another aspect of UFOs

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that I just threw my hands up and and I

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said to myself why even bother it's

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interesting here about bringing back

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relics from the past there are still

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people out there who will maintain

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rather emotionally that George Adamski

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was the real deal

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absolutely absolutely a damn ski and and

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there are others burthew nor Truman

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Bethune is that what it was truly

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bathroom that's what room were thought

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about we're talking about almost 60

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01:14:02,459 --> 01:13:58,719
years ago or maybe it is 60 years ago

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that these guys were quote-unquote

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leading lights

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of the contactee movement for a long

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time it became the tail that wagged the

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dog was the the abduction phenomenon

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this field goes through cycles and both

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you guys have been around more than long

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enough to see this happening again and

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again this is so unfortunate here you

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know you have stories that were

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discredited completely discredited and

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they come back you have personalities

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who for whatever reason we're totally

1506
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discredited and they kind of disappear

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until things die down and they come back

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again and that's really highly

1509
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unfortunate and it's worse than just

1510
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resurrecting old cases because sometimes

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they resurrect old cases that were

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exposed and this is why we're kind of

1513
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stuck in the past

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and that's why I said earlier in the

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episode if we're going to deal with old

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cases it should be to update them and

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see if they still pass muster and if

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they don't get rid of them

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go on I mean there are people today who

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are gonna tell us the Roswell slides

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with the real deal

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oh sure well you know but but here's my

1523
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question to you guys go on to where okay

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go on to where who is out there today

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conducting or attempting to conduct

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cutting-edge research who is out there

1527
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today that is is tracking down cases

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01:15:48,209 --> 01:15:44,530
witnesses incidents I mean Chris you

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know yourself when you and I first had

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contact with each other and correct me

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if I'm wrong if I'm misremembering it

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but it dealt with the animal mutilation

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thing right yeah yeah geez done that

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goes back away 20 years probably over 20

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years

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know back when I was slightly wet behind

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the ears and not as curmudgeonly and and

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grizzled as I am today well yeah and my

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point is it's still

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opening a you know now and again it's

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been one of those things that in fact

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never seemed to cease and the bottom

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line is who out there is tracking this

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down today let's write down some more

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stuff in our next segment with Don Ecker

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are listening to the podcast the gold

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[Music]

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and we've got some questions from

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listeners velasco Don Ecker a little bit

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later but you pose an interesting

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question Don in our previous segment but

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I think what we're trying to do more and

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more here on the power cast is to try to

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focus more on recent cases

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that's my question what recent cases

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okay who is out there bringing these

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recent cases to light who's tracking

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01:22:00,690 --> 01:21:57,220
them down who are today's Chris O'Brien

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01:22:04,230 --> 01:22:00,700
or Don Ecker or Jean Steinberg or or

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01:22:08,810 --> 01:22:04,240
Kevin Randle or Stanton Friedman okay

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01:22:13,380 --> 01:22:08,820
he'll even John Lear okay at one point

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01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:13,390
now I think we can all agree that over

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the years John jumped the tracks in a

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number of areas but you know there was a

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time back in the 80s when he was

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pointing a light at some very unsettling

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things and today that's that's just not

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the case guys well we do have at least

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in the animal death realm we do have

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some some folks that are still out there

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01:22:44,100 --> 01:22:41,800
in attempting to get to the bottom of it

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Chuck Zukowski is based out of I think

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Colorado Springs margie kay is based out

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of Missouri the problem is they've

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already figured out what it is what the

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agenda is and they're running around

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attempting to you know in very similar

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to Linda how to uncover data that

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supports their conclusion that aliens

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are coming in gathering body parts for

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genetic experiments and as a matter of

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fact with Zukowski some writer a pretty

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well-known writer took up his work and

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his theory that most and if not all UFO

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01:23:22,230 --> 01:23:19,270
sightings and secret underground bases

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01:23:24,990 --> 01:23:22,240
and animal mutilations occur on the 37th

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01:23:28,020 --> 01:23:25,000
latitude line in North America which is

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01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:28,030
the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard

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01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:30,490
in fact when I I was talking to a fellow

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01:23:34,890 --> 01:23:32,530
researcher friend of mine David Perkins

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01:23:35,180 --> 01:23:34,900
about the cows Keyes claimed in this New

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01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:35,190
York

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01:23:40,670 --> 01:23:38,250
his best-selling book that's not even

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01:23:41,870 --> 01:23:40,680
laughable it's so ridiculous I said you

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01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:41,880
know what about the cases that happened

1710
01:23:46,130 --> 01:23:43,920
in Patagonia no I said the Perkins just

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01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:46,140
pulling a you know a place that's about

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01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:48,330
as far from the 37th latitude as you can

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01:23:50,930 --> 01:23:48,719
get

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01:23:52,970 --> 01:23:50,940
not not ever hearing about any cases in

1715
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:52,980
Patagonia but he said yeah what what

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01:23:55,820 --> 01:23:53,610
about that

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01:23:58,330 --> 01:23:55,830
and they've come to come to here too two

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01:24:00,740 --> 01:23:58,340
weeks later 40 cases had been reported

1719
01:24:05,209 --> 01:24:00,750
right around the time I said that to

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01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:05,219
Perkins in Patagonia so it's one of

1721
01:24:10,689 --> 01:24:08,130
those weird things of life imitating you

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01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:10,699
know just coincidental you know comments

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01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:13,770
the first cases ever from the tip of

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01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:15,600
South America being reported and of

1725
01:24:20,900 --> 01:24:18,690
course oh yeah all mutilations occur on

1726
01:24:24,050 --> 01:24:20,910
the 37th parallel all mutilations are

1727
01:24:26,180 --> 01:24:24,060
found on their left side check that one

1728
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:26,190
out so we have people that are out there

1729
01:24:30,910 --> 01:24:28,530
this is my point we have people that are

1730
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:30,920
out there but they are not objective

1731
01:24:37,970 --> 01:24:36,090
they are prejudging the the phenomenon

1732
01:24:39,500 --> 01:24:37,980
they've had they've got it all figured

1733
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:39,510
out in their mind and they're looking

1734
01:24:43,700 --> 01:24:41,370
for data to support their conclusion and

1735
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:43,710
that is called intellectual dishonesty

1736
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:46,650
as far as I'm concerned well you know at

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01:24:51,470 --> 01:24:48,480
the beginning of this show we started

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01:24:54,590 --> 01:24:51,480
talking about some off-the-wall things I

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was telling you about this hard drive

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that I recently purchased that died on

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me and while I am sitting here waiting

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for this new drive to reach me I was

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going through a bunch of my files for

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well god only knows what reason but I

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was going through them and I came across

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01:25:24,020 --> 01:25:18,989
a document that I had grabbed a number

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01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:24,030
of years ago that I kept and it had to

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01:25:30,740 --> 01:25:26,130
do with Richard Dolan

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01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:30,750
okay now Dolan you know his first book

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01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:34,560
that he wrote which I reviewed then for

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UFO magazine and I found it to be an

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extraordinarily good book I really liked

1753
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:45,239
it UFOs in the national security state

1754
01:25:53,660 --> 01:25:48,480
his first book all right

1755
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:53,670
now today you can maybe argue the merits

1756
01:26:01,220 --> 01:25:58,080
of this or not but the reason I grabbed

1757
01:26:05,780 --> 01:26:01,230
this file this document that I just

1758
01:26:11,420 --> 01:26:05,790
stumbled across the other day was Dolan

1759
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:11,430
talking about the reptilian aliens okay

1760
01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:16,400
in in some talk that he gave now

1761
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:20,310
reptilian aliens you see one of the

1762
01:26:25,970 --> 01:26:22,650
reasons that I've never been

1763
01:26:28,900 --> 01:26:25,980
well-received myself well-received

1764
01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:28,910
well a lot of people in the UFO field

1765
01:26:35,150 --> 01:26:32,760
was because of my propensity for telling

1766
01:26:40,010 --> 01:26:35,160
the truth as I saw it

1767
01:26:43,250 --> 01:26:40,020
now reptilian aliens would presuppose

1768
01:26:48,050 --> 01:26:43,260
that we already know that aliens are

1769
01:26:51,650 --> 01:26:48,060
coming here right right and that we have

1770
01:26:54,770 --> 01:26:51,660
already separated these so-called

1771
01:26:59,810 --> 01:26:54,780
travelers into various groups one of

1772
01:27:04,100 --> 01:26:59,820
them being reptilians now that's where I

1773
01:27:07,250 --> 01:27:04,110
just slam the brakes on yeah we know

1774
01:27:10,430 --> 01:27:07,260
something is happening but do we know

1775
01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:10,440
beyond any doubt to you and I the three

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01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:13,520
of us for example know that

1777
01:27:20,210 --> 01:27:15,810
extraterrestrials from another star

1778
01:27:25,130 --> 01:27:20,220
system are coming here well bottom line

1779
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:25,140
is no not only no but hell no we know

1780
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:28,530
that something is happening maybe

1781
01:27:36,620 --> 01:27:31,530
somewhere in the bowels of government

1782
01:27:40,370 --> 01:27:36,630
they know that aliens ETS are coming

1783
01:27:42,170 --> 01:27:40,380
here but you and I don't we have nothing

1784
01:27:45,050 --> 01:27:42,180
that could support that if we had to go

1785
01:27:45,650 --> 01:27:45,060
to if we had to go into court a court of

1786
01:27:47,420 --> 01:27:45,660
law

1787
01:27:51,290 --> 01:27:47,430
raised our hand and swear to tell the

1788
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:51,300
truth and then shoot off about the

1789
01:27:57,740 --> 01:27:53,730
aliens that are coming here we don't

1790
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:57,750
know what that is and that's another

1791
01:28:01,850 --> 01:28:00,719
huge problem with the UFO field people

1792
01:28:04,910 --> 01:28:01,860
work

1793
01:28:05,780 --> 01:28:04,920
on the assumption that they're already

1794
01:28:09,260 --> 01:28:05,790
here

1795
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:09,270
I want to believe we all will remember

1796
01:28:16,399 --> 01:28:11,850
the x-files in the poster that agent

1797
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:16,409
Mulder had on his wall in his office

1798
01:28:23,390 --> 01:28:19,770
with a picture of a billy meier UFO and

1799
01:28:28,129 --> 01:28:23,400
the words I want to believe written on

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01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:28,139
it and that is a stumbling block that we

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have fallen over time and time and time

1802
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:35,190
and time again the fact is we don't know

1803
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:39,690
and I'm not shy about saying that and as

1804
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:45,360
a result radio shows lectures and so

1805
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:49,440
forth have been exceedingly rare in my

1806
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:52,770
life in recent years because people

1807
01:28:58,040 --> 01:28:55,170
don't like me to come in and tell them

1808
01:29:00,740 --> 01:28:58,050
what what I have discovered or what I

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01:29:03,770 --> 01:29:00,750
fail to discover in all the years that

1810
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:03,780
I've been doing this this research well

1811
01:29:07,850 --> 01:29:05,610
I think if we give up making assumptions

1812
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we might get a little bit further that

1813
01:29:13,220 --> 01:29:11,330
we remember also even the x-files

1814
01:29:14,750 --> 01:29:13,230
mythology has changed

1815
01:29:16,669 --> 01:29:14,760
remember they brought back the series

1816
01:29:18,530 --> 01:29:16,679
for six episodes and I suppose they're

1817
01:29:21,770 --> 01:29:18,540
gonna do some more in the future and

1818
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:21,780
they decided that it wasn't the alien

1819
01:29:29,959 --> 01:29:25,170
conspiracy it was our government using

1820
01:29:34,189 --> 01:29:29,969
alien technology instead right which

1821
01:29:37,359 --> 01:29:34,199
would presuppose that at least at one

1822
01:29:41,930 --> 01:29:37,369
point aliens did come here and left

1823
01:29:45,649 --> 01:29:41,940
technology behind right so we're still

1824
01:29:48,109 --> 01:29:45,659
talking about aliens maybe in their

1825
01:29:53,660 --> 01:29:48,119
mythology of that program a television

1826
01:29:57,950 --> 01:29:53,670
show they are talking about past visits

1827
01:30:01,280 --> 01:29:57,960
or they maintain in the new mythology

1828
01:30:04,939 --> 01:30:01,290
that aliens did crash at Roswell

1829
01:30:07,790 --> 01:30:04,949
we took their technology and the rest of

1830
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:07,800
the conspiracy all emerges from our own

1831
01:30:12,050 --> 01:30:11,130
government and god only knows what is

1832
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:12,060
actually

1833
01:30:18,740 --> 01:30:16,170
happening that's that's been one of the

1834
01:30:20,500 --> 01:30:18,750
Bugaboos of this whole thing ever since

1835
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:20,510
you've got a lot of people out there

1836
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:24,000
that are just simply going on the

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01:30:29,300 --> 01:30:26,730
assumption that hey they're here how can

1838
01:30:30,710 --> 01:30:29,310
anybody deny it and you know what the

1839
01:30:33,830 --> 01:30:30,720
problem with that is of course they

1840
01:30:36,770 --> 01:30:33,840
don't do any research they just collect

1841
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:36,780
cases and we get nowhere we're gonna get

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somewhere in a moment with Don Ecker and

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1933
01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:05,790
hello this is for us my ellen guiley and

1934
01:35:10,740 --> 01:35:08,080
you're listening to the podcast the gold

1935
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:10,750
standard of paranormal radio

1936
01:35:27,190 --> 01:35:25,450
you noticed Chris is sounding more and

1937
01:35:30,490 --> 01:35:27,200
more robotic what's going on with that

1938
01:35:32,170 --> 01:35:30,500
Chris I don't know I just my voice that

1939
01:35:34,690 --> 01:35:32,180
sounded weird since I've had that nasty

1940
01:35:36,610 --> 01:35:34,700
crud I've been battling I hope there's

1941
01:35:38,650 --> 01:35:36,620
less crud there now Chris we're talking

1942
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:38,660
about crud too in a different way but

1943
01:35:43,900 --> 01:35:40,850
this is true with so many of the UFO

1944
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:43,910
organizations now not that people are

1945
01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:46,850
unable to do real research so for

1946
01:35:52,210 --> 01:35:49,760
example just a couple of weeks ago I

1947
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:52,220
thought we had really good guests here

1948
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:55,250
and one of them was Robert Powell who's

1949
01:35:59,830 --> 01:35:57,170
like the lead investigator from MUFON

1950
01:36:02,080 --> 01:35:59,840
director of research and head of the

1951
01:36:04,900 --> 01:36:02,090
science review board and he seems to

1952
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:04,910
have a pretty level-headed approach to

1953
01:36:10,990 --> 01:36:08,480
it he has looked at newer cases O'Hair

1954
01:36:13,480 --> 01:36:11,000
Stephenville Texas that sort of thing

1955
01:36:18,670 --> 01:36:13,490
he's not stuck in the past there are

1956
01:36:23,860 --> 01:36:18,680
exceptions well okay I haven't come

1957
01:36:26,980 --> 01:36:23,870
across him I've never spoken to him but

1958
01:36:29,380 --> 01:36:26,990
that's that's certainly no criteria to

1959
01:36:33,100 --> 01:36:29,390
judge it on like I said innumerable

1960
01:36:36,670 --> 01:36:33,110
times this is not something that I am

1961
01:36:40,990 --> 01:36:36,680
really pursuing at this point I have no

1962
01:36:43,390 --> 01:36:41,000
interest in in getting back out into the

1963
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:43,400
field for what what reason for example

1964
01:36:51,730 --> 01:36:46,730
why would I even bother the one thing

1965
01:36:58,090 --> 01:36:51,740
that this field has always lacked always

1966
01:37:01,540 --> 01:36:58,100
is money to pursue the research anybody

1967
01:37:04,750 --> 01:37:01,550
that has ever done this will tell you

1968
01:37:07,870 --> 01:37:04,760
and you guys especially will tell the

1969
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:07,880
audience the bottom line is yeah yeah

1970
01:37:13,900 --> 01:37:11,690
I've been a UFO researcher and most of

1971
01:37:18,490 --> 01:37:13,910
the money financing it came out of my

1972
01:37:21,460 --> 01:37:18,500
own pocket because there how many you

1973
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:21,470
know philanthropists are going to say

1974
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:25,370
well oh you're studying UFOs oh well how

1975
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:27,530
much do you need to go on research this

1976
01:37:31,540 --> 01:37:28,370
case Oh

1977
01:37:35,799 --> 01:37:31,550
ten grand sure here it is that just

1978
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:35,809
doesn't happen in a perfect world

1979
01:37:40,759 --> 01:37:39,090
well you know right there Chris here

1980
01:37:44,689 --> 01:37:40,769
you've been working on this camera

1981
01:37:49,279 --> 01:37:44,699
project right jeez six years seven years

1982
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:49,289
now yeah right right and how have you

1983
01:37:54,739 --> 01:37:51,840
managed to finance what you've done up

1984
01:37:58,939 --> 01:37:54,749
to this point well it's been a

1985
01:38:00,949 --> 01:37:58,949
combination of a benefactor Lawrence

1986
01:38:03,109 --> 01:38:00,959
County MUFON kicked in a few hundred

1987
01:38:07,790 --> 01:38:03,119
bucks and then it's been out all out of

1988
01:38:13,250 --> 01:38:07,800
pocket exactly exactly and until you

1989
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:13,260
know we we come down to another Robert

1990
01:38:19,250 --> 01:38:16,489
Bigelow without being Robert Bigelow

1991
01:38:24,529 --> 01:38:19,260
okay that's exactly how it's gonna stay

1992
01:38:27,739 --> 01:38:24,539
you know here's a case of a guy that my

1993
01:38:31,489 --> 01:38:27,749
heaven if he wanted okay

1994
01:38:35,029 --> 01:38:31,499
to make a positive impact he could do it

1995
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:35,039
now he could do it this afternoon but

1996
01:38:46,069 --> 01:38:41,010
look at his MO his modus operandi for a

1997
01:38:48,859 --> 01:38:46,079
while okay he was going to finance out

1998
01:38:52,599 --> 01:38:48,869
of out of his corporation he was going

1999
01:38:54,609 --> 01:38:52,609
to finance MUFON and was at Q folks

2000
01:38:57,049 --> 01:38:54,619
there were there were three

2001
01:39:00,319 --> 01:38:57,059
organizations that were all going to

2002
01:39:04,939 --> 01:39:00,329
come together and under the auspices of

2003
01:39:07,879 --> 01:39:04,949
Bob Bigelow's umbrella okay he was going

2004
01:39:11,299 --> 01:39:07,889
to be the sugar daddy to make this

2005
01:39:14,929 --> 01:39:11,309
happen and it went on for a short while

2006
01:39:17,839 --> 01:39:14,939
and then he pulled the plug on it kind

2007
01:39:21,379 --> 01:39:17,849
of like his scientific research group

2008
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:21,389
that was at the skinwalker ranch it ran

2009
01:39:29,349 --> 01:39:25,050
for a while he kept all the information

2010
01:39:33,709 --> 01:39:29,359
to himself we have no idea what actually

2011
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:33,719
happened or didn't happen down there

2012
01:39:39,290 --> 01:39:36,570
because it's all proprietary you know

2013
01:39:41,719 --> 01:39:39,300
far the problem with MUFON and Bigelow

2014
01:39:44,899 --> 01:39:41,729
is the fact that he apparently wanted

2015
01:39:47,380 --> 01:39:44,909
control that's one thing and supposedly

2016
01:39:49,180 --> 01:39:47,390
there were also other issues such as

2017
01:39:51,790 --> 01:39:49,190
them complete the work in a timely

2018
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:51,800
fashion in other words asking MUFON to

2019
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:54,560
investigate rather than collect and I

2020
01:39:59,740 --> 01:39:56,690
guess they fell down on the job sure

2021
01:40:04,570 --> 01:39:59,750
sure sure because that that's another

2022
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:04,580
reason okay that this field goes nowhere

2023
01:40:13,060 --> 01:40:09,890
who out there today actually knows and

2024
01:40:17,050 --> 01:40:13,070
I'm talking about knows how to conduct

2025
01:40:20,530 --> 01:40:17,060
an actual investigation like a

2026
01:40:23,530 --> 01:40:20,540
criminologist would conduct like I did

2027
01:40:26,380 --> 01:40:23,540
back in the day all right how many

2028
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:26,390
people actually know how to do that darn

2029
01:40:36,100 --> 01:40:31,610
few if any would you agree what bothers

2030
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:36,110
me so much is the fact that they collect

2031
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:38,930
sightings and they go out there and they

2032
01:40:44,190 --> 01:40:41,330
interview people and MUFON has this form

2033
01:40:47,080 --> 01:40:44,200
that I guess they use and they don't ask

2034
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:47,090
questions about the witness it's always

2035
01:40:53,380 --> 01:40:49,930
about the event it's an event driven

2036
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:53,390
investigation let's look into the person

2037
01:40:56,950 --> 01:40:55,130
who had the experience what's their

2038
01:40:58,990 --> 01:40:56,960
background have they seen anything else

2039
01:41:01,780 --> 01:40:59,000
that anything happened them before the

2040
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:01,790
sighting after the sighting other

2041
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:04,370
members of the family what nothing about

2042
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:07,040
the witness it's all about the event

2043
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:08,690
which is like doing half an

2044
01:41:16,690 --> 01:41:13,250
investigation we had a guy years ago at

2045
01:41:20,170 --> 01:41:16,700
UFO magazine who went through a friend

2046
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:20,180
of mine a TV producer Russ estie's

2047
01:41:29,500 --> 01:41:23,050
that's a name you guys may may recall

2048
01:41:33,190 --> 01:41:29,510
yeah gave him a Polaroid photograph now

2049
01:41:37,180 --> 01:41:33,200
this guy claimed that he was sitting at

2050
01:41:38,740 --> 01:41:37,190
home out near Zzyzx Road do you guys are

2051
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:38,750
you familiar with that

2052
01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:42,800
Zzyzx road it's on the 14 or 15 on the

2053
01:41:49,420 --> 01:41:46,880
way to Las Vegas from California well at

2054
01:41:51,580 --> 01:41:49,430
any rate this is where he lived it's

2055
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:51,590
literally out in the middle of nowhere

2056
01:41:58,890 --> 01:41:56,530
and the story he told Russ to give to us

2057
01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:58,900
was that one night he was sitting in his

2058
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:02,080
living room watching TV and he felt

2059
01:42:07,260 --> 01:42:04,210
somebody staring at him

2060
01:42:11,820 --> 01:42:07,270
and he turned around and right outside

2061
01:42:15,330 --> 01:42:11,830
his livingroom window a gray alien was

2062
01:42:17,820 --> 01:42:15,340
standing there looking in the living

2063
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:17,830
room and it just so happened he had a

2064
01:42:22,380 --> 01:42:19,600
Polaroid camera there he grabbed the

2065
01:42:25,890 --> 01:42:22,390
camera and snapped a picture here's my

2066
01:42:27,870 --> 01:42:25,900
picture now I looked at that now I gotta

2067
01:42:32,610 --> 01:42:27,880
tell you the skeptical hair on my neck

2068
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:32,620
immediately shot up so I told her as I

2069
01:42:38,610 --> 01:42:34,810
said look we're not gonna do anything

2070
01:42:40,830 --> 01:42:38,620
with this until I talk to this guy well

2071
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:40,840
you know what the guy didn't want to

2072
01:42:48,210 --> 01:42:44,650
talk to me and I did a little

2073
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:48,220
investigation about this guy and then

2074
01:42:57,180 --> 01:42:53,770
Vicki discovered we had a magazine that

2075
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:57,190
somebody had sent us not UFO magazine

2076
01:43:03,690 --> 01:42:59,440
but it was actually from an Oil

2077
01:43:07,380 --> 01:43:03,700
Corporation magazine and inside the

2078
01:43:11,540 --> 01:43:07,390
cover was an ad for something and lo and

2079
01:43:15,870 --> 01:43:11,550
behold they were using the classic gray

2080
01:43:19,260 --> 01:43:15,880
figure of a grey alien and it was

2081
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:19,270
exactly the same alien in this

2082
01:43:26,610 --> 01:43:22,570
photograph you had this jerk

2083
01:43:29,190 --> 01:43:26,620
okay trying to pawn off on us a phony

2084
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:29,200
picture to see if he could get it in UFO

2085
01:43:34,380 --> 01:43:31,450
magazine and that's the kind of stuff

2086
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:34,390
that went on all the time now if it

2087
01:43:41,690 --> 01:43:38,130
would have been Tim back please magazine

2088
01:43:46,410 --> 01:43:41,700
Tim might very well have run that

2089
01:43:48,510 --> 01:43:46,420
photograph okay but but we didn't so I I

2090
01:43:52,110 --> 01:43:48,520
did everything I could do to shame this

2091
01:43:54,210 --> 01:43:52,120
guy and the bottom line was you know

2092
01:43:55,380 --> 01:43:54,220
you've got to be on your toes all the

2093
01:43:57,570 --> 01:43:55,390
time but you got to know how to

2094
01:44:00,120 --> 01:43:57,580
investigate it a lot of people would

2095
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:00,130
have accepted that photograph on its

2096
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:03,520
face value now what what does that say

2097
01:44:10,370 --> 01:44:06,880
about the field well it says that there

2098
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:10,380
are and very very very seldom if

2099
01:44:17,780 --> 01:44:12,210
ever there were any Professional

2100
01:44:20,750 --> 01:44:17,790
Standards default well the other thing

2101
01:44:24,140 --> 01:44:20,760
it bothers me so much is this a little

2102
01:44:27,410 --> 01:44:24,150
coordination so national UFO Reporting

2103
01:44:30,350 --> 01:44:27,420
Center has a database MUFON has a

2104
01:44:32,300 --> 01:44:30,360
database but now talk to the people who

2105
01:44:34,879 --> 01:44:32,310
work with both organizations and run

2106
01:44:39,530 --> 01:44:34,889
them about taking these databases and

2107
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:39,540
merging them alright making the

2108
01:44:44,030 --> 01:44:41,840
information available to everyone

2109
01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:44,040
professional jealousy it's not gonna

2110
01:44:49,070 --> 01:44:46,080
have of course but you see that's why we

2111
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:49,080
get nowhere this takes us nowhere

2112
01:44:53,629 --> 01:44:51,360
let me do this and then we'll continue

2113
01:44:54,140 --> 01:44:53,639
with the final four segments with John

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[Music]

2181
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

2182
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standard of paranormal radio and now

2183
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here's Jean Steinberg so shall we

2184
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continue Don Ecker absolutely

2185
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now just to bring up nothing here I was

2186
01:48:24,870 --> 01:48:21,370
looking at the latest newsletter from

2187
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MUFON February issue and just to bring

2188
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things in perspective

2189
01:48:33,149 --> 01:48:31,030
MUFON now not just sells a print

2190
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magazine they do have a digital version

2191
01:48:38,910 --> 01:48:35,980
of it which is cheaper so if you want to

2192
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become a MUFON member it's less money so

2193
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we have some sort of press account with

2194
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them so I do have access to all or most

2195
01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:47,739
of their recent issues so let's start

2196
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with that so once again this is the

2197
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current issue February 2017 cover story

2198
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is the earth being seeded with DNA

2199
01:49:04,649 --> 01:49:03,040
filled metallic spheres from space now

2200
01:49:07,860 --> 01:49:04,659
on the surface this may seem like a

2201
01:49:10,500 --> 01:49:07,870
story not for a MUFON Journal but for

2202
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:10,510
the National Enquirer but does appear to

2203
01:49:16,590 --> 01:49:14,400
be a serious story that has been

2204
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:16,600
researched let's go from there

2205
01:49:23,729 --> 01:49:20,800
well okay before the we had to go to

2206
01:49:27,870 --> 01:49:23,739
break the last segment I I was beginning

2207
01:49:34,459 --> 01:49:27,880
to say now I'll just go ahead and say it

2208
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:34,469
I find it humorous okay if not ludicrous

2209
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:37,449
alright first humorous then ludicrous

2210
01:49:47,340 --> 01:49:42,370
that MUFON continues to say they are the

2211
01:49:49,729 --> 01:49:47,350
only scientific organization now out

2212
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:49,739
here in sunny Southern California

2213
01:49:55,229 --> 01:49:54,159
alright I've gone have been invited to

2214
01:50:00,030 --> 01:49:55,239
LA

2215
01:50:03,510 --> 01:50:00,040
MUFON on a couple of occasions to go in

2216
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:03,520
and give a presentation and generally it

2217
01:50:09,030 --> 01:50:07,570
dealt with the lunar research that I've

2218
01:50:15,540 --> 01:50:09,040
been involved with

2219
01:50:18,420 --> 01:50:15,550
over the years but back in the early 90s

2220
01:50:21,450 --> 01:50:18,430
when my wife Vicky and I were still

2221
01:50:27,390 --> 01:50:21,460
publishing UFO magazine one of the

2222
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:27,400
hallmarks that kind of set us apart from

2223
01:50:36,350 --> 01:50:30,930
the rest of the crowd was our

2224
01:50:40,650 --> 01:50:36,360
willingness to do expose days okay on

2225
01:50:42,510 --> 01:50:40,660
charlatans that were making a splash or

2226
01:50:47,070 --> 01:50:42,520
attempting to make a splash in the field

2227
01:50:50,730 --> 01:50:47,080
and one of the guys that I had

2228
01:50:53,790 --> 01:50:50,740
personally encountered initially thought

2229
01:50:58,260 --> 01:50:53,800
he was the real deal was a guy by the

2230
01:51:01,080 --> 01:50:58,270
name of guy Kirkwood all right he had a

2231
01:51:06,090 --> 01:51:01,090
number of other names that he had used

2232
01:51:09,410 --> 01:51:06,100
over the years but part of his stick was

2233
01:51:14,430 --> 01:51:09,420
that he had been billing himself as a

2234
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:14,440
former Air Force interceptor pilot back

2235
01:51:23,430 --> 01:51:19,810
in the early to mid 1950s and part of

2236
01:51:28,350 --> 01:51:23,440
his story was that he had been part of a

2237
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:28,360
squadron task to fly up to intercept

2238
01:51:35,340 --> 01:51:31,290
UFOs unidentified flying objects and

2239
01:51:39,330 --> 01:51:35,350
photograph them and the guy had one heck

2240
01:51:42,480 --> 01:51:39,340
of a story okay was charming was

2241
01:51:46,250 --> 01:51:42,490
friendly and I first met him at a

2242
01:51:49,290 --> 01:51:46,260
conference down around San San Diego and

2243
01:51:51,060 --> 01:51:49,300
somebody introduced me to him and we hit

2244
01:51:55,590 --> 01:51:51,070
it off and I spent a little time

2245
01:51:59,370 --> 01:51:55,600
chatting with him I had a had a idea hey

2246
01:52:00,030 --> 01:51:59,380
guy would love to interview you for UFO

2247
01:52:04,440 --> 01:52:00,040
magazine

2248
01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:04,450
oh yeah sure great I said fantastic now

2249
01:52:10,830 --> 01:52:08,290
look the only thing that I would request

2250
01:52:14,300 --> 01:52:10,840
of you before I do the interview is

2251
01:52:18,500 --> 01:52:14,310
simply to show me a copy of your dd-214

2252
01:52:21,979 --> 01:52:18,510
all right your military separation

2253
01:52:24,830 --> 01:52:21,989
documents oh okay sure

2254
01:52:25,459 --> 01:52:24,840
I'll have to dig them out but yeah okay

2255
01:52:28,009 --> 01:52:25,469
great

2256
01:52:32,689 --> 01:52:28,019
well that was the last I heard from him

2257
01:52:35,870 --> 01:52:32,699
for over a year and suddenly I see him

2258
01:52:40,129 --> 01:52:35,880
on one of those then innumerable TV

2259
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:40,139
shows on commercial television where I

2260
01:52:45,739 --> 01:52:42,570
think it was Linda Howe

2261
01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:45,749
brought Kirkwood on the air well

2262
01:52:51,410 --> 01:52:49,440
suddenly the phone lines at UFO magazine

2263
01:52:52,489 --> 01:52:51,420
just started to light up like a

2264
01:52:55,220 --> 01:52:52,499
Christmas tree

2265
01:52:58,279 --> 01:52:55,230
with all of these people you know

2266
01:53:01,160 --> 01:52:58,289
calling up this guy's a fraud this guy's

2267
01:53:04,819 --> 01:53:01,170
a charlatan oh really

2268
01:53:07,399 --> 01:53:04,829
so why what makes him a fraud or a

2269
01:53:11,930 --> 01:53:07,409
charlatan well back in the 60s he was

2270
01:53:14,930 --> 01:53:11,940
pulling this UFO scam blah blah and as a

2271
01:53:17,359 --> 01:53:14,940
matter of fact even John keel brought

2272
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about him and his book Disney Land of

2273
01:53:23,620 --> 01:53:21,539
the Gods so I had a copy of Disneyland

2274
01:53:27,620 --> 01:53:23,630
of the gods pulled it out read it oh

2275
01:53:31,459 --> 01:53:27,630
yeah there's guy Kirkwood's named and he

2276
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had been pulling a scam back in the 60s

2277
01:53:37,339 --> 01:53:34,760
with some guy down in Central America

2278
01:53:41,239 --> 01:53:37,349
it's a long story and I'm not gonna go

2279
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:41,249
into it here but needless to say I said

2280
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:43,199
okay well guy didn't want to come up

2281
01:53:50,509 --> 01:53:46,530
here with his dd-214 so I'm gonna go

2282
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:50,519
ahead conduct research anyway so you may

2283
01:53:56,209 --> 01:53:53,119
remember back in those days a

2284
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congressman here in in Southern

2285
01:54:03,169 --> 01:53:59,820
California by the name of Bob Dornan all

2286
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right b-1 bomber Bob do you remember

2287
01:54:13,209 --> 01:54:08,610
that guy's name I do okay so as it

2288
01:54:19,029 --> 01:54:13,219
turned out Dornan's brother had been a

2289
01:54:23,689 --> 01:54:19,039
look magazine photographer who had a

2290
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:23,699
rather amazing encounter with our old

2291
01:54:30,649 --> 01:54:27,570
buddy guy Kirkwood back in the 60s so I

2292
01:54:31,450 --> 01:54:30,659
called Dornan's brother up and Vicky and

2293
01:54:35,020 --> 01:54:31,460
I went

2294
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:35,030
and met him for lunch downtown here in

2295
01:54:41,290 --> 01:54:38,050
Los Angeles one afternoon

2296
01:54:45,400 --> 01:54:41,300
spent about four and a half hours with

2297
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him his name was done Dornan and not

2298
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only did he give me the lowdown on this

2299
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guy

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but he brought along a bunch of

2301
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photographs that he had taken when he

2302
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was examining that case himself in the

2303
01:55:05,830 --> 01:55:03,710
60s even Look magazine was gonna write

2304
01:55:08,500 --> 01:55:05,840
this guy in well he discovered that it

2305
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was all a fraud well I ended up doing an

2306
01:55:17,470 --> 01:55:14,300
extensive expose in UFO magazine but I'm

2307
01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:17,480
the kind of guy that's not gonna stick

2308
01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:20,290
you in the back metaphorically speaking

2309
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:23,570
if I'm gonna stick you you're gonna be

2310
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looking at me so I called up Kirkwood

2311
01:55:35,830 --> 01:55:31,070
and I said guy you never got back to me

2312
01:55:38,950 --> 01:55:35,840
with your dd-214 but I'm writing an

2313
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expose on you and if you want to stop

2314
01:55:45,550 --> 01:55:41,870
over at the office I'll show you what

2315
01:55:49,540 --> 01:55:45,560
I'm gonna run ahead of time and if you

2316
01:55:53,170 --> 01:55:49,550
bring me your dd-214 I won't do it well

2317
01:55:55,600 --> 01:55:53,180
he came out I handed him what I was what

2318
01:55:58,600 --> 01:55:55,610
I was running in the magazine he read

2319
01:56:01,660 --> 01:55:58,610
the whole thing simply crapped out

2320
01:56:06,459 --> 01:56:01,670
handed it back walked out the door and

2321
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was gone okay we ran the article so with

2322
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that being said about two years later at

2323
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the magazine somebody called us up and

2324
01:56:22,060 --> 01:56:18,080
said did you see who they're having come

2325
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out and give a presentation at La MUFON

2326
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:26,780
and I said no who guy Kirkwood and I

2327
01:56:35,170 --> 01:56:30,770
said what everybody by that time knew

2328
01:56:40,450 --> 01:56:35,180
the guy Kirkwood was a total phony a

2329
01:56:43,420 --> 01:56:40,460
nice guy a nice bony but a phony so the

2330
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guy that was in charge of la MUFON then

2331
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was done

2332
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Waldrop so I got on the phone and I

2333
01:56:55,990 --> 01:56:52,850
called waldrop up and I said Don what

2334
01:57:00,040 --> 01:56:56,000
are you guys doing a lot of Don's there

2335
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Don Ecker Don Dornan now Don Waldron and

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I said you guys said MUFON no this guy's

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a total phony you know what he told me

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and this was another reason that

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ultimately I had it would move on well

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we're more interested in getting a big

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crowd in there who are gonna be paying

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their 10 bucks a ticket or whatever it

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was and this guy draws you know

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draws the audience in it is not the

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first or last example of mufon putting

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people on the stage because they attract

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a crowd we got more to come with Don

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the way to Chris will bring up in a

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moment but why I mention something here

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there was another organization Missouri

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MUFON that was gonna bring on that

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character whose name shall not be

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mentioned

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who's the American representative of of

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course the one-armed UFO contactee okay

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billy meier and we heard of this and one

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of the people associated with that

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organization margie kay had been on the

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power cast and i said to her what do you

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think you're doing well a few weeks

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later he was disinvited

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they didn't disinvite anybody that draws

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a crowd out here in LA so now move on a

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Waldrop left and he moved from

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California back I believe he went to

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Florida and then they had some other

2475
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people take over the MUFON group here

2476
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now I knew and still do the people who

2477
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always did the audio/visual for LA MUFON

2478
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and they had somebody else that came in

2479
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then and whatever caused this after men

2480
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many years of being the audio-visual

2481
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Wizards and they were Wizards Borrelia

2482
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MUFON they all ended up leaving they had

2483
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some kind of huge falling-out now hey

2484
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that can happen with any organization

2485
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any group I mean you have internal

2486
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politics you have people for whatever

2487
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reason that don't get along with each

2488
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other and sometimes these people will

2489
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pick up their marbles and go home but

2490
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you know when they knowingly will bring

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in a phony a fraud a liar and basically

2492
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treat this individual before their

2493
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audiences like this individual has

2494
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something worth saying or saying

2495
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something that's worth hearing then you

2496
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got a look at the overall organization

2497
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and I gotta tell you it's been many

2498
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years since I've considered MUFON a

2499
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legitimate UFO investigating

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organization but is there any legitimate

2501
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UFO investigating organization seems

2502
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most we hear about are just citing

2503
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collectors there might be Jean Chris

2504
02:04:59,080 --> 02:04:54,900
there might be but I got to tell you if

2505
02:05:05,240 --> 02:04:59,090
there is I have not encountered them so

2506
02:05:07,729 --> 02:05:05,250
as far as as I know the answer is no but

2507
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I leave the door open a little bit on

2508
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the off chance there might actually be

2509
02:05:16,520 --> 02:05:13,679
one out there but like I said I've never

2510
02:05:17,990 --> 02:05:16,530
encountered them Chris we have some

2511
02:05:23,180 --> 02:05:18,000
questions from our audience for Don

2512
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Ecker can you fish a few up here's a

2513
02:05:27,080 --> 02:05:24,929
good one and this is something that I

2514
02:05:30,979 --> 02:05:27,090
heard I remember hearing this years ago

2515
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Don but Nix who is our latest member to

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sign up at forum dr. Peric ask.com

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or our signups and forum members can

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post questions for our guests and mr.

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Nix who signed up yesterday or MS Nix um

2520
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is asking is

2521
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true that early cosmonauts carried

2522
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handguns well I don't know about

2523
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cosmonauts because they were Soviet

2524
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Union spacefaring guys but American

2525
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astronauts did when they first went to

2526
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the moon as a matter of fact I

2527
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originally broke that story in the midst

2528
02:06:14,100 --> 02:06:10,600
of my lunar research somebody told me

2529
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that I was astounded when I heard that

2530
02:06:18,660 --> 02:06:15,330
going to the moon

2531
02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:18,670
carrying they were carrying 45 caliber

2532
02:06:29,430 --> 02:06:23,890
automatic pistols and so Vicki and I

2533
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called NASA and we spoke to their public

2534
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relations person and this has been a

2535
02:06:40,530 --> 02:06:35,620
long time ago but they as a matter of

2536
02:06:47,209 --> 02:06:40,540
fact admitted that yes they did carry

2537
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weapons to the moon but their excuse was

2538
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they carried weapons because in the

2539
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event that when the when the space

2540
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missions the astronauts came back okay

2541
02:07:07,709 --> 02:07:03,460
to planet Earth in the event that they

2542
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came down in some wild wooly place like

2543
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in a jungle in Africa or something they

2544
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would have a means to defend themselves

2545
02:07:21,060 --> 02:07:16,170
now I gotta tell you when I heard that

2546
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one word went off in my head and it was

2547
02:07:29,010 --> 02:07:26,530
colorful expletive okay and I looked at

2548
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the explanation that I said but wait a

2549
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minute the lunar explorers always come

2550
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back to the ocean

2551
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because we don't have a way to soft

2552
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lands our spacecraft and remember now

2553
02:07:50,010 --> 02:07:45,100
we're talking about the the Apollo

2554
02:07:53,040 --> 02:07:50,020
missions on terra firma on ground they

2555
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always came back in the Atlantic Ocean

2556
02:07:57,180 --> 02:07:56,350
they landed in water as a matter of fact

2557
02:08:00,360 --> 02:07:57,190
they move all

2558
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all naval fleet out there to make sure

2559
02:08:04,530 --> 02:08:02,920
that they had all this water covered so

2560
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they could immediately pick up the

2561
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astronauts so what was the actual reason

2562
02:08:14,310 --> 02:08:11,949
that they carried weapons to the moon

2563
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:14,320
well you're gonna have to make up your

2564
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own mind about that but yes they did

2565
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more questions Chris this one comes from

2566
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Walter Bosley who's a fellow LA area

2567
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researcher and author after all the

2568
02:08:31,700 --> 02:08:28,630
years you've studied and investigated

2569
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UFO cases which one is your favorite

2570
02:08:42,030 --> 02:08:39,430
well I say Roswell I have always when I

2571
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was conducting a lot of active research

2572
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the cases that always thrilled me the

2573
02:08:55,890 --> 02:08:50,800
ones that I really jumped into with

2574
02:09:00,870 --> 02:08:55,900
gusto were cases that happened in earth

2575
02:09:05,870 --> 02:09:00,880
space and near-earth space I was

2576
02:09:09,620 --> 02:09:05,880
involved in a number of investigations

2577
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:09,630
and I may sound like a broken record

2578
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:13,930
when I say this but one of my favorite

2579
02:09:21,990 --> 02:09:17,920
cases involved the sts-48 shuttle

2580
02:09:25,500 --> 02:09:22,000
mission that I broke originally on NBC

2581
02:09:29,660 --> 02:09:25,510
and then CNN okay it was an astounding

2582
02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:29,670
case where a Space Shuttle above

2583
02:09:36,840 --> 02:09:33,010
Australia New Zealand encountered an

2584
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unknown object a UFO and then

2585
02:09:44,930 --> 02:09:41,040
subsequently what seemed to be a weapon

2586
02:09:49,170 --> 02:09:44,940
shooting at this thing and this thing

2587
02:09:52,110 --> 02:09:49,180
taking drastic evasive maneuvers that's

2588
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one case the other case was and it's

2589
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gonna sound like like I'm trumpeting my

2590
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own horn but another case that

2591
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absolutely fascinated me was a case that

2592
02:10:14,919 --> 02:10:10,920
NASA and the Soviet agency Klaas

2593
02:10:19,150 --> 02:10:14,929
most took together a mission that was

2594
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they were both involved in going to Mars

2595
02:10:27,260 --> 02:10:24,690
with a probe called Phobos 2 let's talk

2596
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about that probe and more in our next

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segment with Jeanne and Chris you're in

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yeah this was a was a space mission that

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NASA and glad cosmos took jointly and it

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was not known at the time that this

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happened all right that NASA was a part

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of this mission

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disappeared entirely a little over a

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month after these two probes took off

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both of them joint missions with NASA

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and the other one got to Mars then

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photographed and absolutely according to

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the Russians an enormous cigar shaped

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object right before their probe was

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those to me represented the kind that

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along with sts-48 represented what in

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fact might be a sign of an

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extraterrestrial intelligence or

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sentient beings were they actually well

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I have no way of absolutely knowing but

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that's my suspicion so if anybody buddy

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were to ask me my favorite cases that

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would be yet let me ask a different

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there a case out there that you once

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touted champion felt really was

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important significant that later on

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thought it would be well initially when

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I when I first became involved one of

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the early researchers that I was in

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touch with and this was as a matter of

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fact even before even before UFO

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magazine I was a part of the old

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perronnette computer system

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and along about and 1986-1987 television

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news broadcaster George naff had a what

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ended up being a couple of specials

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where he touted a incognito area 51

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quote-unquote scientist all right on his

2747
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special his TV special and it turned out

2748
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to be the infamous Bob Lazar case now

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John Lear as a matter of fact wrote up a

2750
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paper where he touted the fact about

2751
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Lazar and Lazar working on something

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called Excalibur or Lazar brought this

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thing to the forefront

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Excalibur which was purported to be a

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ground penetrating missile that the u.s.

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government was developing to take out

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underground extraterrestrial bases okay

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now did I believe that on the face no

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but this information was at the time so

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astounding that I gave some credence to

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it and of course as soon as I I got my

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feet a bit more grounded and applied my

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detective hat into the the mix I came to

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the decision that a lot of this was

2765
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simply crap now I'm not saying that I

2766
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think that Bob Lazar was necessarily

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crap I still think there's a great

2768
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untold story there but a lot of what

2769
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Lear was touting in his original

2770
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writings I came to the conclusion pretty

2771
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quickly that it was garbage but you

2772
02:19:22,009 --> 02:19:19,469
think some of what he had to say was

2773
02:19:25,490 --> 02:19:22,019
true I've always been kind of negative

2774
02:19:30,410 --> 02:19:25,500
towards him are you talking about Lazar

2775
02:19:34,509 --> 02:19:30,420
yeah look

2776
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I am NOT and I've said this for years

2777
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okay I've relegated the whole Lazar

2778
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thing to migrate basket for only a

2779
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couple of reasons

2780
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that I have not been willing to dismiss

2781
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the whole thing and I've also repeated

2782
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this on the podcast in the past number

2783
02:20:03,860 --> 02:20:00,510
one when George Knapp first broke that

2784
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story I think all of us here will agree

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that Knapp is a good reporter and Knapp

2786
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as he told me privately okay in the past

2787
02:20:20,740 --> 02:20:17,160
nap before he ever did anything with the

2788
02:20:25,490 --> 02:20:20,750
whole as our story had in years past

2789
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talked to a number of former people that

2790
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worked out at what Knapp referred to as

2791
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the site area 51 so when Lazar came

2792
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forward Knapp had a series of questions

2793
02:20:45,290 --> 02:20:41,400
that he asked Lazar like for example and

2794
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I'm pulling these from memory but where

2795
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was the the cafeteria located okay

2796
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and once you're at the cafeteria how do

2797
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you get to the the bathroom there's a

2798
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bathroom there right and what were the

2799
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color of the walls in there in other

2800
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words Knapp was utilizing some tricks or

2801
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techniques to find out if Lazar could

2802
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pass those tests and according to nap

2803
02:21:18,320 --> 02:21:15,840
yeah he did okay then the other thing

2804
02:21:22,340 --> 02:21:18,330
that always stuck with me was the fact

2805
02:21:25,400 --> 02:21:22,350
that Lazar took Blair and several other

2806
02:21:32,210 --> 02:21:25,410
people including his then buddy Jean

2807
02:21:35,540 --> 02:21:32,220
Huff out to the black mailbox area where

2808
02:21:36,980 --> 02:21:35,550
they could witness some of these exotic

2809
02:21:39,740 --> 02:21:36,990
whatever they ours

2810
02:21:42,850 --> 02:21:39,750
flying around the mountains and they

2811
02:21:47,210 --> 02:21:42,860
even recorded it on a camcorder

2812
02:21:53,200 --> 02:21:47,220
this was right before Lazar and and Huff

2813
02:21:57,290 --> 02:21:53,210
got caught all right so that to me

2814
02:22:01,610 --> 02:21:57,300
convinced me that yeah Lazar had some

2815
02:22:04,580 --> 02:22:01,620
kind of information that he was able to

2816
02:22:08,630 --> 02:22:04,590
take these people out and show them now

2817
02:22:12,670 --> 02:22:08,640
does that necessarily mean that he

2818
02:22:15,980 --> 02:22:12,680
worked at s4 on recovered

2819
02:22:18,650 --> 02:22:15,990
extraterrestrial spaceships no that

2820
02:22:22,700 --> 02:22:18,660
doesn't prove that but what it does

2821
02:22:24,890 --> 02:22:22,710
prove is that he had information that if

2822
02:22:29,720 --> 02:22:24,900
he were a total fraud he wouldn't have

2823
02:22:32,480 --> 02:22:29,730
had so like I said in my gray basket and

2824
02:22:34,340 --> 02:22:32,490
it's possible the other stuff colored or

2825
02:22:36,080 --> 02:22:34,350
was meant to deflect from the sources

2826
02:22:38,630 --> 02:22:36,090
from which he got the information well I

2827
02:22:42,380 --> 02:22:38,640
work there that sort of thing just

2828
02:22:46,600 --> 02:22:42,390
suggesting hey anything is possible

2829
02:22:51,520 --> 02:22:46,610
now here's the other unfortunate truth

2830
02:22:56,480 --> 02:22:51,530
truth okay the fact of the matter is

2831
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PayPal will never know well that's

2832
02:23:00,140 --> 02:22:58,200
always encouraged and that's about the

2833
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UFO field in general Chris some more

2834
02:23:05,320 --> 02:23:00,680
questions

2835
02:23:07,790 --> 02:23:05,330
sure okay this one comes from Matthew in

2836
02:23:10,130 --> 02:23:07,800
1977 he's been a member of the parrot

2837
02:23:12,260 --> 02:23:10,140
cast for two years and he's wondering

2838
02:23:14,090 --> 02:23:12,270
what are the sources of the best

2839
02:23:18,020 --> 02:23:14,100
evidence that alien bases are on the

2840
02:23:19,820 --> 02:23:18,030
moon will you go on Don we have about a

2841
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minute for this segment then we'll

2842
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continue in the next segment go on

2843
02:23:33,160 --> 02:23:28,050
please okay I conducted research into

2844
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that going back to 1991 now do I have a

2845
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secret government insider that gave me

2846
02:23:48,910 --> 02:23:44,240
information on this no do I have a

2847
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series of photographs from NASA that

2848
02:23:56,540 --> 02:23:54,210
were procured through public sources yes

2849
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and did I go for

2850
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these with a fine-tooth comb along with

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some help

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absolutely and was I convinced that I

2853
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saw things that could only be artificial

2854
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I was I did and yes I am convinced

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they're artificial now with that being

2856
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said if I am correct what does that mean

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let's find out in our next segment with

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Don Ecker Jean and Chris you're in the

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suffered organ damage or other injuries

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this is Micah Hanks to the graylien

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02:29:00,020 --> 02:28:57,960
report and you're listening to the para

2965
02:29:08,889 --> 02:29:00,030
cast the gold standard of paranormal

2966
02:29:14,840 --> 02:29:11,570
so put it all together Don Ecker what

2967
02:29:18,139 --> 02:29:14,850
does all this mean with that being said

2968
02:29:18,530 --> 02:29:18,149
from the last segment what that means to

2969
02:29:30,050 --> 02:29:18,540
me

2970
02:29:34,639 --> 02:29:30,060
perhaps today I am 85% convinced that

2971
02:29:39,020 --> 02:29:34,649
there was and maybe still is an

2972
02:29:43,940 --> 02:29:39,030
operating outpost on the far side of the

2973
02:29:48,080 --> 02:29:43,950
Moon I think that at some point there

2974
02:29:48,650 --> 02:29:48,090
were somebody that was utilizing a base

2975
02:29:52,900 --> 02:29:48,660
on the moon

2976
02:29:55,340 --> 02:29:52,910
now does that necessarily mean

2977
02:29:58,370 --> 02:29:55,350
extraterrestrials know there are other

2978
02:30:00,770 --> 02:29:58,380
possibilities if you go with the

2979
02:30:02,870 --> 02:30:00,780
assumption that I'm correct about

2980
02:30:08,150 --> 02:30:02,880
artificial structures being on the moon

2981
02:30:11,389 --> 02:30:08,160
we cannot even agree today on who

2982
02:30:16,280 --> 02:30:11,399
murdered President John F Kennedy that's

2983
02:30:19,250 --> 02:30:16,290
almost as contentious a topic as talking

2984
02:30:22,070 --> 02:30:19,260
about what the last election was you'll

2985
02:30:25,690 --> 02:30:22,080
get a thousand different opinions now

2986
02:30:29,389 --> 02:30:25,700
that was a relatively short time ago

2987
02:30:32,570 --> 02:30:29,399
1963 with that being said when did

2988
02:30:36,860 --> 02:30:32,580
humanity first appear on planet earth

2989
02:30:41,120 --> 02:30:36,870
that's another topic that no one can

2990
02:30:43,460 --> 02:30:41,130
agree on however we do know that human

2991
02:30:48,710 --> 02:30:43,470
beings have been here on planet earth a

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02:30:52,550 --> 02:30:48,720
long time and roughly 10 to 12 thousand

2993
02:30:57,010 --> 02:30:52,560
years ago we underwent a cataclysmic

2994
02:31:01,099 --> 02:30:57,020
climatic event that caused the ice

2995
02:31:03,550 --> 02:31:01,109
sheets that was covering then most of

2996
02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:03,560
North America to suddenly disappear

2997
02:31:09,559 --> 02:31:06,890
which raised the level of the oceans

2998
02:31:14,030 --> 02:31:09,569
several hundred feet in other words

2999
02:31:18,200 --> 02:31:14,040
areas that previously had been dry land

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02:31:20,809 --> 02:31:18,210
are now hundreds of feet or more under

3001
02:31:24,229 --> 02:31:20,819
the ocean service when that happened

3002
02:31:28,099 --> 02:31:24,239
there were people here those people were

3003
02:31:32,119 --> 02:31:28,109
displaced or perhaps died as a result of

3004
02:31:34,460 --> 02:31:32,129
that climatic event now how advanced

3005
02:31:36,859 --> 02:31:34,470
were they well depending upon who you

3006
02:31:39,829 --> 02:31:36,869
talk to you can get into a discussion

3007
02:31:42,800 --> 02:31:39,839
that human beings back then at least

3008
02:31:47,000 --> 02:31:42,810
some of them might have been very far

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02:31:52,189 --> 02:31:47,010
along being advanced technologically if

3010
02:31:56,599 --> 02:31:52,199
you ever heard about or could get a copy

3011
02:31:58,449 --> 02:31:56,609
of a book by Michael Cremo and Richard

3012
02:32:01,519 --> 02:31:58,459
Thompson titled

3013
02:32:06,469 --> 02:32:01,529
forbidden archeology they have

3014
02:32:12,309 --> 02:32:06,479
documented going back over three billion

3015
02:32:14,659 --> 02:32:12,319
with a B years of what could only be

3016
02:32:17,510 --> 02:32:14,669
manufactured artifacts that were

3017
02:32:21,349 --> 02:32:17,520
discovered right here on planet earth

3018
02:32:24,920 --> 02:32:21,359
things that are inexplicable and things

3019
02:32:27,769 --> 02:32:24,930
that science today refuse to even

3020
02:32:29,869 --> 02:32:27,779
acknowledge exists although they're

3021
02:32:33,500 --> 02:32:29,879
hidden in museums all over the planet

3022
02:32:36,800 --> 02:32:33,510
down in the dusty archives some really

3023
02:32:40,880 --> 02:32:36,810
weird things now what does that suggest

3024
02:32:43,550 --> 02:32:40,890
well at some point in our past there was

3025
02:32:46,550 --> 02:32:43,560
a heck of a lot more going on than what

3026
02:32:49,670 --> 02:32:46,560
we will acknowledge today so is it

3027
02:32:52,550 --> 02:32:49,680
possible that maybe early humans went to

3028
02:32:55,670 --> 02:32:52,560
the moon well that's a possibility along

3029
02:32:59,300 --> 02:32:55,680
with aliens if you talk to Walter Bosley

3030
02:33:03,260 --> 02:32:59,310
you had mentioned Walter earlier Walter

3031
02:33:07,389 --> 02:33:03,270
has been working on some theories that

3032
02:33:11,000 --> 02:33:07,399
we in fact may be dealing with a

3033
02:33:13,849 --> 02:33:11,010
breakaway civilization here on planet

3034
02:33:16,189 --> 02:33:13,859
Earth and by the way listeners if you go

3035
02:33:18,319 --> 02:33:16,199
through the powerhouse archives and at

3036
02:33:20,750 --> 02:33:18,329
the power cast come they are searchable

3037
02:33:23,449 --> 02:33:20,760
you'll see several interviews we've done

3038
02:33:26,420 --> 02:33:23,459
with Walter Bosley about his breakaway

3039
02:33:30,769 --> 02:33:26,430
civilization theories ahead done so the

3040
02:33:32,929 --> 02:33:30,779
bottom line is I don't know what is up

3041
02:33:34,640 --> 02:33:32,939
there what I love to go up and take a

3042
02:33:37,970 --> 02:33:34,650
look you betcha

3043
02:33:41,301 --> 02:33:37,980
what that's unlikely to happen but I am

3044
02:33:44,541 --> 02:33:41,311
convinced that at some point in the past

3045
02:33:48,831 --> 02:33:44,551
and the possibility exists that even

3046
02:33:49,371 --> 02:33:48,841
today there is an ongoing outpost up

3047
02:33:51,740 --> 02:33:49,381
there

3048
02:33:55,850 --> 02:33:51,750
that's something if you look at the

3049
02:33:58,671 --> 02:33:55,860
entire lunar program would seem to

3050
02:34:01,100 --> 02:33:58,681
suggest that maybe I am on the right

3051
02:34:04,100 --> 02:34:01,110
path and I'm certainly not the only one

3052
02:34:06,650 --> 02:34:04,110
that has thought about that what's

3053
02:34:09,621 --> 02:34:06,660
bothered me done over the years is the

3054
02:34:12,921 --> 02:34:09,631
fact that we gave up on at least public

3055
02:34:17,301 --> 02:34:12,931
lunar exploration so quickly that is

3056
02:34:19,910 --> 02:34:17,311
fodder gene for an entire show based

3057
02:34:23,320 --> 02:34:19,920
strictly on Apollo with the time left

3058
02:34:26,301 --> 02:34:23,330
there's no way that I can give any a

3059
02:34:29,930 --> 02:34:26,311
responsible answer to something that is

3060
02:34:32,690 --> 02:34:29,940
in depth and detail as I would like to

3061
02:34:35,331 --> 02:34:32,700
now we're talking about oh whoa go to

3062
02:34:40,461 --> 02:34:35,341
Mars we'll do this and I'm thinking it's

3063
02:34:44,511 --> 02:34:40,471
gonna happen in what 2020 25 30 35 what

3064
02:34:46,430 --> 02:34:44,521
happened in 1980 let me interject

3065
02:34:48,410 --> 02:34:46,440
something here I just read a pretty

3066
02:34:51,560 --> 02:34:48,420
extensive article that is saying that

3067
02:34:55,610 --> 02:34:51,570
now because of new findings related to

3068
02:34:57,440 --> 02:34:55,620
the amount of radiation that our Martian

3069
02:35:00,890 --> 02:34:57,450
astronaut's potential Martian astronauts

3070
02:35:03,200 --> 02:35:00,900
would be susceptible to that we do not

3071
02:35:05,660 --> 02:35:03,210
have the technology to protect them and

3072
02:35:07,371 --> 02:35:05,670
by the time they would get to Mars there

3073
02:35:09,440 --> 02:35:07,381
was an over I think 50 or 60 percent

3074
02:35:12,051 --> 02:35:09,450
chance that they would die early deaths

3075
02:35:15,020 --> 02:35:12,061
and probably develop cancer because of

3076
02:35:16,940 --> 02:35:15,030
the cosmic radiation and the fact that

3077
02:35:19,461 --> 02:35:16,950
they're just not sufficiently shielded

3078
02:35:22,041 --> 02:35:19,471
Netflix's back any sort of Martian man

3079
02:35:24,350 --> 02:35:22,051
Martian expedition all the way to 2070

3080
02:35:26,930 --> 02:35:24,360
or something so therefore Elon Musk is

3081
02:35:29,150 --> 02:35:26,940
not going to realize his dream unless he

3082
02:35:30,950 --> 02:35:29,160
comes up with some technology that is

3083
02:35:33,140 --> 02:35:30,960
able to duplicate two meters of water

3084
02:35:34,940 --> 02:35:33,150
around the entire ship that would be

3085
02:35:37,551 --> 02:35:34,950
enough to protect astronauts from

3086
02:35:39,350 --> 02:35:37,561
catastrophic radiation damage well you

3087
02:35:41,990 --> 02:35:39,360
know a friend of mine and I believe you

3088
02:35:44,631 --> 02:35:42,000
guys have have interviewed him dr. John

3089
02:35:47,570 --> 02:35:44,641
Brandenburg has been off and on working

3090
02:35:51,830 --> 02:35:47,580
for a long time on a

3091
02:35:54,309 --> 02:35:51,840
to get to Mars in a much quicker

3092
02:35:57,290 --> 02:35:54,319
timeframe than what was originally

3093
02:35:59,780 --> 02:35:57,300
thought to be the case in other words

3094
02:36:02,030 --> 02:35:59,790
months and months and months and I

3095
02:36:04,700 --> 02:36:02,040
recently talked to Brandenburg and I

3096
02:36:08,450 --> 02:36:04,710
asked him as a matter of fact about that

3097
02:36:11,650 --> 02:36:08,460
very thing about cosmic radiation and he

3098
02:36:15,320 --> 02:36:11,660
seems to think that it's very possible

3099
02:36:18,920 --> 02:36:15,330
that they have the technology available

3100
02:36:23,000 --> 02:36:18,930
now to shield the astronauts now whether

3101
02:36:26,120 --> 02:36:23,010
they do or don't I do not know as of

3102
02:36:30,770 --> 02:36:26,130
late September Elon Musk was seeking

3103
02:36:32,870 --> 02:36:30,780
Mars explorers with $200,000 and quote

3104
02:36:37,130 --> 02:36:32,880
in this headline from Bloomberg

3105
02:36:39,410 --> 02:36:37,140
technology guts to risk death so I

3106
02:36:42,139 --> 02:36:39,420
suppose we're gonna have to see whether

3107
02:36:44,300 --> 02:36:42,149
Theory's a radiation danger I certainly

3108
02:36:47,780 --> 02:36:44,310
hope there isn't I mean think of the

3109
02:36:50,150 --> 02:36:47,790
romantic ideal that maybe in 5 10 15 20

3110
02:36:53,900 --> 02:36:50,160
years whatever some of us will get to

3111
02:36:57,080 --> 02:36:53,910
Mars and the princess may be waiting for

3112
02:37:00,170 --> 02:36:57,090
us right right the princess and the gods

3113
02:37:06,170 --> 02:37:00,180
of Mars and all those people and we'll

3114
02:37:07,700 --> 02:37:06,180
see the Dead sea-bottoms of Barsoom Don

3115
02:37:09,050 --> 02:37:07,710
Ecker please tell our listeners if they

3116
02:37:10,280 --> 02:37:09,060
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3117
02:37:12,590 --> 02:37:10,290
where can they check you out

3118
02:37:16,880 --> 02:37:12,600
other than our forums of course well

3119
02:37:20,170 --> 02:37:16,890
Facebook is a good place and right now

3120
02:37:25,219 --> 02:37:20,180
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3141
02:39:03,650 --> 02:38:48,380
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